1 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,620 Hi, I'm Bob Lazar. 2 00:01:16,290 --> 00:01:18,200 In December of 1988, 3 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:20,830 I was hired as a senior staff physicist 4 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,290 by a U.S. defense contractor called 5 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:25,200 EGandG Special Projects. 6 00:01:25,870 --> 00:01:27,500 I was told that I would be working 7 00:01:27,660 --> 00:01:29,500 on an advanced propulsion system 8 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:32,290 out in a remote area of the Nevada test site 9 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:35,330 known as Area 51. 10 00:01:35,830 --> 00:01:38,000 Myself and 21 other people 11 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,910 were responsible for back engineering a technology 12 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,330 that originated from another civilization. 13 00:01:44,410 --> 00:01:46,950 Although this was a highly classified project, 14 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,790 I was never comfortable knowing 15 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:51,290 that this secret was being kept from the world. 16 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,200 As work there progressed, I began to worry 17 00:01:55,370 --> 00:01:57,330 that what I knew could endanger my life. 18 00:01:57,870 --> 00:01:59,620 Wanting to protect myself, 19 00:01:59,790 --> 00:02:03,040 I decided to go public and reveal the secrets of S4. 20 00:02:03,370 --> 00:02:06,450 Since then, my story has been told countless times 21 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:08,200 from people all over the world. 22 00:02:08,910 --> 00:02:11,000 No one has ever been able to show exactly 23 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,870 what I saw with my own eyes. 24 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:14,410 Until now. 25 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:43,740 Created by Sailor420 Enjoy single-line sub 26 00:03:05,870 --> 00:03:07,910 Wow, that's a big carrot you got there. 27 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,950 Well... 28 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,040 I'm sure they're gonna like the greens too. 29 00:03:18,450 --> 00:03:20,500 Come here, come here. 30 00:03:22,370 --> 00:03:23,290 Boy! 31 00:03:27,910 --> 00:03:29,330 Rockstar hair on it. 32 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:42,120 I get asked a lot if I regret going forward and... 33 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:45,750 I have also said, for years, 34 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:48,410 "My mind goes back and forth." 35 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,290 If I go forward, I come to this point 36 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:53,750 in my life, if I could go back in time, 37 00:03:54,450 --> 00:03:57,330 I do wonder what would happen if I didn't go forward and just 38 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:59,290 played along and didn't take 39 00:03:59,450 --> 00:04:01,700 anyone out to the site to show 'em and... 40 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,750 I don't know how things would have turned out. 41 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:05,620 I don't know if that would have been the 42 00:04:05,790 --> 00:04:07,330 right thing to do anyway, 43 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:08,950 'cause it really bothered me that 44 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,620 all this was being kept secret. 45 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,660 Ah, there's really no way I can prove it 46 00:04:13,830 --> 00:04:15,950 without revealing my identity and getting myself into 47 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,580 more trouble than I have already. 48 00:04:18,290 --> 00:04:19,660 Exactly what's going on up there? 49 00:04:19,830 --> 00:04:21,410 Well, there's several, uh, 50 00:04:21,620 --> 00:04:24,040 actually nine flying saucers, flying disks 51 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,790 that are out there of extraterrestrial origin. 52 00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:28,620 They're basically being dismantled but 53 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:31,250 some are, well, in various stages of-- 54 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:33,160 of completion built from other parts 55 00:04:33,330 --> 00:04:34,750 and they're being test flown 56 00:04:34,910 --> 00:04:36,660 and basically just analyzed. 57 00:04:39,450 --> 00:04:42,410 I was always interested in science and engineering, 58 00:04:42,580 --> 00:04:44,410 particularly things that 59 00:04:44,580 --> 00:04:47,450 operated or controlled huge amounts of power, like, 60 00:04:47,950 --> 00:04:50,870 high-powered lasers, rocket engines, jet engines, 61 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,160 explosives, things of that sort, 62 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:56,000 and started building small jet and rocket engines 63 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,290 in my late teens. 64 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,410 I remember, um, 65 00:05:00,580 --> 00:05:02,580 either buying this magazine or I-- 66 00:05:02,750 --> 00:05:05,580 I might have been subscribed to it at the time, but, um, 67 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,040 this is back when I was either in high school or junior high. 68 00:05:09,330 --> 00:05:11,620 And, um, yeah, I saw that... 69 00:05:12,750 --> 00:05:15,250 ...you know, a jet engine on a go-kart going, "Well, 70 00:05:15,410 --> 00:05:18,500 nothing's cooler than that," you know, when you're a kid. 71 00:05:18,660 --> 00:05:20,910 Yeah, but I wanted to know everything about that. 72 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,290 You know, a jet engine, you-- you-- 73 00:05:22,450 --> 00:05:24,120 you could build a jet engine and-- 74 00:05:24,370 --> 00:05:26,790 Anyway, I became fascinated with all this and 75 00:05:26,950 --> 00:05:28,660 the power and-- and whatnot. 76 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,500 And, um... you know, noted from the article that there was a 77 00:05:32,660 --> 00:05:35,410 guy named Eugene Gluhareff and lived in 78 00:05:35,790 --> 00:05:37,370 California somewhere and, 79 00:05:37,790 --> 00:05:40,700 you know, time-- time went on, years go by, and 80 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:43,750 I moved with my parents out to California and, 81 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,080 you know, I-- I think at some point this-- 82 00:05:46,250 --> 00:05:48,370 this magazine popped up again, 83 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:52,000 you know, and I went... "Wait, there's... that-- 84 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,700 that guy's out here," you know, and I looked and I-- 85 00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:57,660 I think it was in Gardena, California. 86 00:05:57,830 --> 00:06:00,370 I went, it's like a 30-minute drive. 87 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:02,950 So, you know, I just drove out there 88 00:06:03,290 --> 00:06:05,160 and, you know, here's, uh, 89 00:06:05,330 --> 00:06:07,450 this guy's shop was just in this little 90 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:10,080 kind of disintegrating building, 91 00:06:10,250 --> 00:06:12,410 you know, knocked on the door and there's the guy. 92 00:06:12,580 --> 00:06:15,580 And, uh, you know, we-- we start talking and um... 93 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,500 in-- in a short time, 94 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 you know, he saw how interested I was 95 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,660 and explaining everything. 96 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:23,200 And we-- we became friends. 97 00:06:23,370 --> 00:06:25,080 Then it was me constantly going 98 00:06:25,250 --> 00:06:27,120 back and forth there and, uh-- 99 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:31,120 and learning a lot about how-- 100 00:06:31,910 --> 00:06:35,250 how everything worked, you know, supersonic aerodynamics and the-- 101 00:06:35,410 --> 00:06:38,040 you know, the shock waves that work inside, the ju-- 102 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,410 stuff that you're not gonna 103 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:41,200 learn in high school at that time. 104 00:06:41,540 --> 00:06:43,830 And I became more and more interested in-- 105 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,200 you know, that really became the basis, 106 00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:49,540 the spark anyway, of what got me interested in, 107 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:51,330 you know, that kind of propulsion. 108 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,750 An old friend of mine, Jim, 109 00:07:04,910 --> 00:07:06,410 he worked in the same place I did, 110 00:07:06,580 --> 00:07:08,080 Fairchild Electronics, and 111 00:07:08,290 --> 00:07:10,040 came in one day and said, 112 00:07:10,250 --> 00:07:12,160 "I went to the racetrack last night." 113 00:07:12,330 --> 00:07:14,410 I think it was Orange County Raceway 114 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:17,080 "And they had jet cars. 115 00:07:17,290 --> 00:07:19,870 It's just this big jet engine with wheels on it. 116 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,540 And they were racing, you know, fire is blasting out the back." 117 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,540 I-- And he said, "Yeah, you gotta go." 118 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:27,000 And I went there. I was, you know, 119 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,620 probably-- just my early 20s, maybe 21 years old. 120 00:07:29,790 --> 00:07:30,830 And, I-- you know, I thought. 121 00:07:31,250 --> 00:07:33,120 "That is without a doubt the coolest thing 122 00:07:33,290 --> 00:07:34,830 I have ever seen." 123 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,370 And I immediately-- I have to have one of those things. 124 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:43,330 And um, I think that was kind of the seed that started it. 125 00:08:02,330 --> 00:08:04,330 Well, it's so cool. I lit it and I just see this car 126 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:05,870 pulling away from me. I said, 127 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,160 "Jeez, I wonder if I'm gonna catch it." 128 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:12,620 Three... 129 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:14,000 ...two... 130 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,250 ...one... 131 00:08:15,410 --> 00:08:17,950 ...zero! 132 00:08:18,620 --> 00:08:20,750 My wife had a Honda Civic. 133 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:24,040 And as it turned out, just looking at it one day, 134 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,000 just the hatchback really looked like a jet would fit in there. 135 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,040 I just started taking it apart. 136 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,450 And, uh, to her surprise, 137 00:08:32,660 --> 00:08:35,750 there was a jet in there in a short period of time. 138 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,750 But, uh, she was okay with it and 139 00:08:38,910 --> 00:08:40,910 kind of became a project for a while. 140 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,660 And, uh, it turned out to be pretty cool. 141 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,790 He also said he worked as a physicist at 142 00:08:53,950 --> 00:08:55,500 Los Alamos National Lab, 143 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:57,370 where he experimented with one of the world's 144 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:59,580 largest particle beam accelerators, 145 00:08:59,750 --> 00:09:01,250 a half mile long behemoth 146 00:09:01,410 --> 00:09:04,080 capable of generating 700 million volts. 147 00:09:04,250 --> 00:09:06,330 Los Alamos officials told us 148 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:08,910 they had no records of a Robert Lazar ever working there. 149 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,040 They were either mistaken or were lying. 150 00:09:11,330 --> 00:09:14,580 A 1982 phone book from the lab lists Lazar 151 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:17,290 right there among the other scientists and technicians. 152 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:20,540 A 1982 clipping from the Los Alamos newspaper 153 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:23,250 profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars. 154 00:09:23,410 --> 00:09:26,500 It too mentioned his employment at the lab as a physicist. 155 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:28,120 We called Los Alamos again. 156 00:09:28,290 --> 00:09:29,950 An exasperated official told us 157 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,290 he still had no records on Lazar. 158 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:36,080 Well, while working at Los Alamos National Lab in 1982, 159 00:09:36,370 --> 00:09:38,370 the local newspaper did a front page story 160 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:39,660 on a jet car I had built. 161 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,870 Coincidentally, Dr. Edward Teller 162 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,540 was giving a speech at Los Alamos that same day. 163 00:09:50,950 --> 00:09:53,500 One, two, three, four. 164 00:09:54,370 --> 00:09:57,870 We don't want war. 165 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,250 Reagan... 166 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,370 ...is our first president... 167 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,000 who had the courage... 168 00:10:06,250 --> 00:10:09,250 to tell the American people... 169 00:10:09,750 --> 00:10:12,450 a big part... of the truth. 170 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:14,580 When I arrived early to hear his speech, 171 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:16,830 Dr. Teller was still sitting outside 172 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 reading a story about me in the newspaper. 173 00:10:19,370 --> 00:10:21,370 I used that to strike up a conversation 174 00:10:21,540 --> 00:10:23,580 and we had a short chat about the jet car. 175 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:25,330 Then later I listened to his speech. 176 00:10:25,950 --> 00:10:28,660 Now, I never met Dr. Teller again, but in 1988 177 00:10:28,830 --> 00:10:31,370 when I decided to re-enter the scientific community, 178 00:10:31,540 --> 00:10:34,290 I sent him a resume, and inquired about a job. 179 00:10:34,950 --> 00:10:36,660 Dr. Teller responded by telephone 180 00:10:36,830 --> 00:10:38,450 and told me that he was no longer active, 181 00:10:38,620 --> 00:10:40,950 but just functioned in a chief consultant capacity. 182 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:44,250 He gave me the name of a contact to call in Las Vegas. 183 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:46,450 I made that call and things progressed from there 184 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:48,580 until I got into the program at S4. 185 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,290 I had left the lab, moved back and started sending out resumes 186 00:10:52,450 --> 00:10:54,870 and that's when he said, "I think I have" you know, 187 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,580 "I have something you might be interested in." 188 00:10:56,830 --> 00:11:00,290 And that's when he directed me to EGandG and 189 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:02,870 their special projects division is where 190 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,290 I had the interview and... 191 00:11:04,950 --> 00:11:07,580 that was actually apparently for yet another job. 192 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,250 And after my interview, they said, 193 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:12,910 "You know, there's actually a different position 194 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:15,250 that you might plug into a little bit better." 195 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:18,830 So, you know, it was kind of a-- a bumpy road to S4, but 196 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,750 it's-- was all through, uh, Teller. 197 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,410 EGandG, which is where Lazar says he was interviewed 198 00:11:25,580 --> 00:11:28,330 for the job at S4, also has no record. 199 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,580 It's as if someone has made him disappear. 200 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:32,580 The consulting engineering firm 201 00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:35,120 of Edgerton, Grumershausen and Grier, 202 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:37,790 these three together with their staff 203 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,500 will conduct the highly important 204 00:11:39,660 --> 00:11:41,080 Teller Alpha experiment 205 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:44,040 devised in 1947 by Dr. Edward Teller, 206 00:11:44,250 --> 00:11:45,870 a University of Chicago physicist 207 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,500 and Los Alamos consultant, 208 00:11:47,830 --> 00:11:51,200 involves the Zero Tower and the Teller Alpha reflectors. 209 00:11:52,750 --> 00:11:55,000 He is not your typical, uh, 210 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,120 straight-laced science guy, 211 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:59,370 science nerd that, uh, might 212 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:02,750 typically be hired at a place like Los Alamos or at S4. 213 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,660 So, you know, 214 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:08,200 if you wanted to hire a guy who could think clearly 215 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:11,040 out of the box and help solve problems, 216 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:14,040 but who could be discredited, if you needed to do that, 217 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,910 Bob was probably the best person in the country at the time. 218 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,330 He was perfect for it. 219 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,040 My name is George Knapp. 220 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,950 I'm an investigative reporter, 221 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,200 former anchor at KLAS-TV, 222 00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:27,910 and I'm the guy who broke the story about Bob Lazar. 223 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,330 high school reunion or something. 224 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,000 - Yeah - Look at you! 225 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,910 - Hey, it's good to see you. - You too, man. 226 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,500 I get more UFO books than... anybody in-- on the planet. 227 00:12:38,660 --> 00:12:39,830 No doubt. 228 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:42,620 That's all CIA secret history stuff. 229 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:44,620 I got some Emmys and... 230 00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:45,910 "I got-- 231 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,450 I got some little Emmys out there." 232 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,200 Lazar, 51. 233 00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:53,330 Lazar, Lazar, 51. 234 00:12:54,370 --> 00:12:58,120 Uh, but it all starts with you, so it's your fault 235 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:00,410 that my house looks like this. 236 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:02,370 Oh, I remember you showed me a flying-- 237 00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:04,620 - There it is! With the aliens inside. - Yeah. 238 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:07,330 Yeah, I thought that was really cute. 239 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:13,370 Let me start this way first, so... 240 00:13:14,330 --> 00:13:15,830 This is the first time Bob and I have ever 241 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,290 - been on camera together. - Mm-hmm. 242 00:13:17,450 --> 00:13:18,700 You know, when I first met him, 243 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:20,370 he-- he came forward and spoke to us 244 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:22,040 'cause he was afraid for his life. 245 00:13:22,250 --> 00:13:24,120 So I started trying to check out what's on his resume, 246 00:13:24,290 --> 00:13:25,910 where he had worked, where he'd gone to school. 247 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:29,330 Um, started with the schools, and... 248 00:13:30,580 --> 00:13:32,080 ...it was an immediate roadblock. 249 00:13:32,250 --> 00:13:33,910 You know, MIT and Caltech 250 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,790 both said, "We don't have any record of him." 251 00:13:35,950 --> 00:13:38,580 I thought, "Well, this series could end right here, you know." 252 00:13:38,830 --> 00:13:43,200 And then so this prompted conversations with me and Bob, 253 00:13:43,660 --> 00:13:46,040 and he explained some of what was going on. 254 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:48,410 He said, "Look, I worked at Los Alamos. 255 00:13:48,580 --> 00:13:49,950 I was there. I was working in a 256 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,620 scientific capacity on classified programs. 257 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:53,830 That is a fact." 258 00:13:54,660 --> 00:13:56,950 And I decided, "Well, that's what we'll focus on." 259 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,500 If he worked at Los Alamos 260 00:13:58,660 --> 00:14:01,000 in a scientific capacity on classified stuff, 261 00:14:01,330 --> 00:14:02,450 this is a go. 262 00:14:02,620 --> 00:14:03,750 And so I started a 263 00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:05,750 COP correspondence with Los Alamos, 264 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:08,200 and they were a pain in the ass right at-- from the beginning. 265 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:09,790 "We don't have any record of him 266 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,830 ever being there in any capacity. Sorry." 267 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,700 Then we had the phone book. 268 00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:16,120 There he is in the phone book. 269 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:18,660 I sent it to 'em. "Hey, folks, here he is." 270 00:14:18,830 --> 00:14:21,580 "Yeah, we-- we can't find a--" I think they called it a Z number. 271 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:23,410 "Can't find it. Sorry." 272 00:14:23,790 --> 00:14:27,200 Then I had the Los Alamos Monitor front page story about 273 00:14:27,370 --> 00:14:30,000 Bob being a physicist working there. I sent that to 'em. 274 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,700 "Have you guys seen this?" 275 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,450 Los Alamos is a small town. 276 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:35,620 It's not like he could lie about it on the front page 277 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:37,000 of the paper and get away with it. 278 00:14:37,580 --> 00:14:39,040 "Nope. Sorry, we don't have him. 279 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,660 But maybe he worked for Kirk Meyer." 280 00:14:40,830 --> 00:14:42,700 So I started a correspondence with Kirk Meyer. 281 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,620 This is a company that is a headhunter. 282 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:46,120 They hire people. 283 00:14:46,290 --> 00:14:48,500 They find, uh, people to fill positions, 284 00:14:48,660 --> 00:14:50,500 scientific and technical capabilities 285 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:52,540 at places like Los Alamos Lab. 286 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:54,870 "You have records on a guy named Robert Lazar." 287 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,830 And they said, "Yes, we do." I said, "Can I get them?" 288 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,450 Said, "Yeah, if you get a signed letter from him 289 00:15:00,660 --> 00:15:02,790 or we can send them to him or you with a-- 290 00:15:02,950 --> 00:15:04,410 with a letter with permission." 291 00:15:04,580 --> 00:15:06,500 I said, "Great." And sent it to 'em. 292 00:15:06,830 --> 00:15:08,620 Weeks go by, no response. 293 00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:10,790 Months go by, no response. 294 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:12,330 I'm writing back to him. 295 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:14,000 There's a-- I got a stack of letters like this 296 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,000 to Los Alamos and Kirk Meyer. 297 00:15:16,410 --> 00:15:18,870 And I'm asking 'em, "You said you had the-- the records. 298 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,250 You said you had hired him. 299 00:15:20,580 --> 00:15:22,500 You got him a job there. Can I get 'em?" 300 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:25,000 And eventually, it was a back and forth. 301 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,200 "Yes, we have 'em." 302 00:15:26,580 --> 00:15:27,790 "No, we can't find 'em." 303 00:15:27,950 --> 00:15:29,000 "No, we never had 'em." 304 00:15:29,540 --> 00:15:30,750 I knew they were lying to me. 305 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:33,660 That really... is a key moment for me 306 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:36,160 because I knew that Los Alamos was lying to me. 307 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:38,080 And I knew that Kirk Meyer was lying to me. 308 00:15:38,410 --> 00:15:39,410 And it pissed me off. 309 00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:53,580 He says he was hired to work at an area called S4, 310 00:15:53,750 --> 00:15:55,750 which is a few miles south of Groom Lake. 311 00:15:55,950 --> 00:15:58,160 At S4, he says, are flying saucers, 312 00:15:58,330 --> 00:16:00,950 antimatter reactors and other working examples 313 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,450 of technology that is seemingly beyond human capabilities. 314 00:16:04,620 --> 00:16:06,160 Right. This-- this came from somewhere else. 315 00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:07,700 I mean, as bizarre as that is to believe, 316 00:16:07,870 --> 00:16:09,580 but I mean, it's there. I saw it. 317 00:16:09,950 --> 00:16:11,750 I know what the current state of the art is and-- 318 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,500 in-- in physics and it's-- it can't be done. 319 00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:18,410 Groom Lake, Area 51. 320 00:16:18,580 --> 00:16:20,700 The, uh, the installation is surrounded 321 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:22,200 by the Groom Mountain Range 322 00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:24,500 and there's a large dry lake bed. 323 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:26,410 That's Groom Lake. 324 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:32,200 Just south of that is S4 and Papoose Dry Lake. 325 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:40,950 The way it worked was they'd call me at random days and 326 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,700 they'd say, "Mr. Lazar, it is now such and such time. 327 00:16:43,950 --> 00:16:45,500 We need you to come out today." 328 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:46,910 So I'd go out there. 329 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,120 I'd drive out to EGandG Special Projects, 330 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:52,250 which was right in McCarran Airport at that time. 331 00:16:52,410 --> 00:16:54,450 I'd go through a little security there 332 00:16:54,620 --> 00:16:56,660 and then out on the tarmac 333 00:16:56,830 --> 00:16:58,500 and board one of the Janet flights. 334 00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:00,250 They were only used by the government 335 00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:02,450 for going back and forth to the test site. 336 00:17:02,620 --> 00:17:04,290 Flight 363 Las Vegas Tower, 337 00:17:04,450 --> 00:17:06,660 runway 26 right, line up and wait, traffic downfield. 338 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:09,910 Flight 826 Ryder, I said. 339 00:17:10,910 --> 00:17:13,040 1313 straight in at Bravo 5 340 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,200 and contact the ramp traffic holds in position. 341 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:17,750 Hey, cross 26 right, Bravo 5, 342 00:17:17,910 --> 00:17:19,120 over to Rant House, 1330. 343 00:17:22,450 --> 00:17:24,700 Now it's well known how people get to Groom Lake. 344 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:27,330 The Janet planes are now infamous, you know, 345 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:29,660 and the buses with the blacked out windows. 346 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:31,620 But back then when Bob first shared it with me 347 00:17:31,790 --> 00:17:33,200 and we made it public, 348 00:17:33,450 --> 00:17:35,790 the-- the general public had no idea how that worked. 349 00:17:36,330 --> 00:17:37,330 We put that out there. 350 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:38,500 Bob knew about it 351 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:39,870 and it would confirm, you know. 352 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:53,160 When I got to Area 51 353 00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:54,870 off the plane and into the facility, 354 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,370 there were very few people. 355 00:17:56,540 --> 00:17:59,250 I just went into a-- a small building 356 00:17:59,410 --> 00:18:02,660 and we had to sit down across the desk from somebody 357 00:18:02,830 --> 00:18:06,750 and they'd have a lot of papers explaining what I was signing 358 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:09,500 and what I'm expected to do and what I'm 359 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:12,290 expected not to talk about, so on and so forth. 360 00:18:17,870 --> 00:18:19,700 The next time I went out there, 361 00:18:19,870 --> 00:18:22,290 they had a bus, a blue bus, 362 00:18:22,450 --> 00:18:25,450 which was essentially a Blue Bird school bus, 363 00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:28,540 just painted navy blue with the windows blacked out. 364 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,910 That I got onto with Dennis, who was my supervisor at the time, 365 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,250 and we drove south to another facility, now known as S4. 366 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,290 We're taken by bus south of there. 367 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:45,410 The bus has the windows blocked out of it 368 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:47,200 and they drive about 369 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:50,290 15, 20 minutes, something like that, on a dirt road. 370 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,080 Every time I got on the bus, 371 00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:54,290 I walked up and grabbed the 372 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:56,830 long chrome pole that's right by the seat 373 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,540 and pretty much just spun around and sat there 374 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:01,120 or close to the front. 375 00:19:01,450 --> 00:19:03,700 Dennis always sat-- he never sat next to me, 376 00:19:03,870 --> 00:19:05,500 he always sat across from me 377 00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:07,290 and looked at me the whole time, 378 00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:10,160 which was really uncomfortable. 379 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:12,950 Now, the windows were blocked out, but 380 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,700 if I leaned forward, I can see out the front window. 381 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:23,160 As we slowed down, I could feel that we were-- 382 00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:25,700 we were slowing and turning at the same time 383 00:19:25,870 --> 00:19:27,160 when we came to a stop. 384 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,750 When I got out of the bus, 385 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,370 I can see just desert around us. 386 00:19:32,540 --> 00:19:35,410 I can see part of Papoose Lake behind me 387 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:37,870 and then when I walked around the front of the bus, 388 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,120 we were at the hillside and 389 00:19:40,330 --> 00:19:45,000 Dennis was by me and all that was in front of us was a door 390 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,200 and a security camera above it. 391 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:56,580 We're going into the facility the first time. 392 00:19:56,750 --> 00:20:00,330 It's a relatively small room with a table and chair there. 393 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:02,910 There was a security guard in the chair 394 00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:05,040 and he acknowledged Dennis. 395 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,250 I walked in. 396 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:08,790 Behind him on the right, 397 00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:11,000 there's the hand scanner. 398 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:24,410 First time I went in there with Dennis, 399 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:27,160 obviously I had no badge, it had to learn, 400 00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:29,660 so we had to, you know, train the machine, 401 00:20:29,950 --> 00:20:32,830 but subsequent times when I put my hand on there, 402 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,620 the light shines through your hand and measures 403 00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:37,160 the bones in your finger, 404 00:20:37,330 --> 00:20:38,540 determines who you are 405 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:40,700 and your badge comes up out of the slot. 406 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,120 Each door you have, you have to swipe it 407 00:20:46,290 --> 00:20:47,830 to get access to the room 408 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,450 and somewhere that records the time you went in, 409 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:54,250 when you come out, etc. 410 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,950 On the front is a picture of my face. 411 00:21:00,330 --> 00:21:04,200 Uh, there is a big M.A.J. written sideways on it. 412 00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:06,120 I think they're locations 413 00:21:06,450 --> 00:21:08,200 and they get-- they get punched with a star 414 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:10,080 where you have access to them. 415 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,790 There's an employee number on there. 416 00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:16,330 There's a dark blue and light blue 417 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,750 diagonal stripe up in the corner. 418 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:20,950 The Department of Naval Intelligence, 419 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,790 the stripes on the side. 420 00:21:23,410 --> 00:21:26,080 And the s-- the star punch that you saw... 421 00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:27,620 Was on S4. 422 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:29,660 Yeah. 423 00:21:42,290 --> 00:21:44,580 It's a long, desolate hallway, 424 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,830 for the most part, dimly lit. 425 00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:51,000 Just a two-tone green cinder block hallway. 426 00:21:52,450 --> 00:21:55,660 Off to the right would be... the nurse station, 427 00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:59,000 which is just several steps down that way. 428 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,870 But the main hallway, when you open the door 429 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,500 and you look straight down, 430 00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:04,410 pretty much goes to a vanishing point. 431 00:22:04,580 --> 00:22:06,700 It's a long, long hallway. 432 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,450 And you'll have doors off to the left 433 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:12,250 that lead to the experimental areas and the hangars. 434 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:16,080 Uh, the doors to the right will be: bathroom and, 435 00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,250 uh, the cafeteria, and then 436 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,540 once you pass the main hangar, the big hangar, 437 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,330 I have no idea what's past there. 438 00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:30,200 There is a small medical facility there. 439 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:35,000 Uh, it's the only female I saw, ever, in the facility. 440 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,950 She explained that we are potentially working with 441 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,040 a lot of unknown materials 442 00:22:40,410 --> 00:22:43,950 and there could be sensitivities or allergic reactions to them. 443 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,290 So she drew a small grid on the bottom of my arm 444 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:51,290 and had a variety of 445 00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:54,540 small needles with different substances on them and 446 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:58,750 pricked a little area inside each one of those squares, 447 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,120 uh, just to see, you know, if I'd have any reaction to them. 448 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:06,330 I was also instructed to drink this 449 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,450 liquid that I said smelled like pine. 450 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,540 It's kind of an amber-colored liquid, if I recall. 451 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:15,330 And, it did give me a reaction that that evening, 452 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,000 I think I had stomach cramps. 453 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,250 But, I can't really say that caused them. 454 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:22,120 You know, it's coincidental, so. 455 00:23:22,290 --> 00:23:24,950 But I-- I can't officially blame it on that. 456 00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:35,450 When I first began at S4, 457 00:23:35,620 --> 00:23:37,580 I would randomly be taken into a small room, 458 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:39,250 which contained a table, a chair, 459 00:23:39,410 --> 00:23:41,830 and 120 or so briefings in blue folders. 460 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:45,830 These reports appeared to be an overview of alien information, 461 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,160 which could be used to brief scientists from any field 462 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:49,950 about the scope of the whole project, 463 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,290 and not just their specific field of endeavor. 464 00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:55,290 The file on top was Project Galileo. 465 00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:58,750 And as it turned out, that's the project that I was part of. 466 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,370 And that clearly... referred to reverse engineering 467 00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:06,160 a recovered alien spacecraft. 468 00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:09,910 My job in this program was to be part of a back engineering team. 469 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:12,790 Back engineering is the act of taking a finished product 470 00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:15,160 and tearing it apart to find out what makes it tick. 471 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:17,620 The goal in this program was to see 472 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,120 if the technology of the disc 473 00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:21,290 could be duplicated with Earth materials. 474 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,950 Dennis brought us into the lab. He said, 475 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,370 "This is where you're gonna be spending most of your time." 476 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,250 I can see it was a... typical lab setup. 477 00:24:30,410 --> 00:24:33,330 There was stuff, components, everything all over the place. 478 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:35,410 And one guy in there, Barry, who-- 479 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:37,370 who got up immediately and was 480 00:24:37,540 --> 00:24:39,750 clearly really happy to see me. 481 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,160 It seems like he used to work with somebody else. 482 00:24:43,330 --> 00:24:45,250 He had a lot to say, he was excited 483 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,080 to show me everything and bring me up to speed. 484 00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:50,200 It was kind of like a little kid at that point. 485 00:24:50,370 --> 00:24:51,500 "Wait till you see this." 486 00:24:51,660 --> 00:24:53,120 And, you know, he'd display 487 00:24:53,290 --> 00:24:54,910 how the amplifier, 488 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,700 you know, operates connected to the emitters and 489 00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:01,040 how things operate, even though they're not connected, and-- 490 00:25:01,370 --> 00:25:05,080 But yeah, he was... very anxious to show me everything 491 00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:07,580 and anxious to make some progress too. 492 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,660 So this is where he said, 493 00:25:15,290 --> 00:25:17,450 "We're focusing primarily on the 494 00:25:17,620 --> 00:25:19,580 power and propulsion system of the craft." 495 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,330 And I said, "Great, 496 00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:25,080 w-- what... craft?" 497 00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:28,250 I think he was holding off intentionally, 498 00:25:28,410 --> 00:25:31,790 telling me anything, because what he wanted me to do 499 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,000 was to feel the gravitational field on the reactor. 500 00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:39,950 So he went over, he rotated the emitter and the reactor was on. 501 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,040 He said, "Go ahead and try and touch that." 502 00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:44,410 And when I pushed my hands on it, 503 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,250 that was the biggest scientific shock I'd ever had 504 00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:53,660 because there's nothing in the world that can do that. 505 00:25:54,370 --> 00:25:57,540 And he said, "That's what propels the craft. 506 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,540 And that is a gravity generator." 507 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,950 And that... was the moment that... 508 00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,330 I realized what was going on. 509 00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:13,620 Barry indicated that what I saw there was 510 00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:16,160 the propulsion system in its entirety. 511 00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:20,000 He started with the reactor and 512 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,160 the small hemisphere on the plate. 513 00:26:22,330 --> 00:26:25,000 said, "This is apparently the power source." 514 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,250 To the left of that on the ground 515 00:26:27,410 --> 00:26:30,500 was what he referred to as the amplifier. 516 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:32,250 And to the left of that 517 00:26:32,410 --> 00:26:36,620 at 90 degrees, was a large pipe looking object. 518 00:26:36,790 --> 00:26:38,330 He said that was the emitter. 519 00:26:39,370 --> 00:26:41,370 These function together to produce 520 00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:43,410 a gravity propulsion system. 521 00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:47,120 The power base frequency was created by the reactor. 522 00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:50,290 The amplifier increased its amplitude 523 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,540 and that was channeled into the emitter 524 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,580 and focused or beamed, 525 00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:57,410 wherever you want to provide the propulsion. 526 00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:01,330 Barry shut the system off by rotating the emitter 527 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,500 and then he proceeded to take apart the reactor to 528 00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:06,370 show me it had components too. 529 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:08,250 When he did that, you were able to touch 530 00:27:08,410 --> 00:27:10,000 the hemisphere in the reactor, 531 00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:13,580 remove the hemisphere and then you can see a small tower 532 00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:15,330 with a tube coming off of it. 533 00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:17,830 That tower had a cap on it. 534 00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:21,540 The cap slid off and inside... 535 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,160 was a triangular piece of a... 536 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,750 ...almost copper-colored... material. 537 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,200 It had little slice marks on it 538 00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:34,620 and that material turned out to be element 115, 539 00:27:34,790 --> 00:27:38,580 a super heavy element yet to be discovered at the time. 540 00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:40,080 To start up the reactor, of course, 541 00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,000 we need some element 115. 542 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,790 In fact, you need 223 grams, which is just 543 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:48,290 under half a pound, machined into a wedge like this. 544 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,330 And a piece of 115 this size can be utilized as fuel 545 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,580 for a period of 20 to 30 years. 546 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,950 Element 115's melting point is 1740 degrees Celsius 547 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,580 and its standard oxidation state is plus 3. 548 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,700 The atomic radius of 115 is 1.87 angstroms. 549 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,790 The frequency of the carrier wave for element 115's 550 00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:12,950 gravity A wave is 7.46 hertz at a one micron bandwidth. 551 00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:18,620 This is the reactor, and from what 552 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:21,870 we've been able to determine, it's what powers the craft. 553 00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:24,000 It's made of several components. 554 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,790 First is a removable hemisphere. 555 00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:30,040 There's a tower, 556 00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:32,500 and we'll call our drift tube on the side, 557 00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:33,870 a small cap, 558 00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:35,750 that comes off, 559 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,040 and inside the tower... 560 00:28:39,790 --> 00:28:43,160 ...is what we think is the fuel, element 115. 561 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,910 The fuel element is placed inside the tower, 562 00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:49,750 cap is placed on, 563 00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:54,120 and then, as soon as the hemisphere 564 00:28:54,750 --> 00:28:57,080 makes a flat connection to the base, 565 00:28:57,950 --> 00:29:00,000 it'll create its own gravitational field. 566 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,330 It becomes operational. 567 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:02,910 It will push your hands away 568 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,830 as soon as that's sat on there. 569 00:29:05,290 --> 00:29:10,080 And the field is-- feels similar to... uh, 570 00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:12,160 like poles of a magnet. 571 00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:14,160 There's some elasticity to it. 572 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:17,950 You could push back on it as hard as you want, 573 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,750 but-- and a-- a really important thing is 574 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:24,830 it's not transferring that force to the base. 575 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,580 Even though this would move, 576 00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:29,500 you can push on the field 577 00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:31,330 and it wouldn't slide this. 578 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,750 I mean, if you had two magnets with like poles 579 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:36,540 and you pushed on one, the other one would go sliding across the table. 580 00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:38,200 That doesn't happen here. 581 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,870 Through X-rays, we were able to determine 582 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,620 that there's a hollow tube 583 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000 that goes around the base. 584 00:29:45,370 --> 00:29:47,660 We assume that's something like a cyclotron, 585 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:50,950 where particles are accelerated around 586 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,290 and there's, if you wanna call it an off ramp, 587 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,660 is the drift tube, comes up and interacts in the tower 588 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,330 in some way to produce energy. 589 00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:03,910 Now, this device doesn't produce any heat at all. 590 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,370 It didn't produce one degree... of temperature change, 591 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:10,540 no matter how much load it was under. 592 00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:12,290 To turn the reactor on... 593 00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:15,330 ...the-- all the components in the craft 594 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:16,950 are connected in some way, 595 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,500 but not physically. 596 00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:21,660 And we really don't know how that is. 597 00:30:22,330 --> 00:30:25,450 Um, if you take one of the emitters 598 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:27,620 and you rotate it past 20 degrees, 599 00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:29,330 the reactor will turn on, 600 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,500 and you can no longer even get your hands by it. 601 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,250 Conversely, to turn it off, rotate... the emitter, 602 00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:38,830 the reactor shuts down. 603 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:42,370 And assuming that's removing the load from the reactor, 604 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,080 I think it's just load sensing. 605 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:47,040 It sees that the emitter and amplifier wants power 606 00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:49,580 and it turns on, but the exact mechanism 607 00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:52,410 that's taking place there is-- is completely unknown. 608 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,080 So I began to feel the field about up here. 609 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,660 And at-- at this distance, there's-- 610 00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:02,540 y-- there's no way you're moving your hands any closer. 611 00:31:03,910 --> 00:31:06,950 But, uh-- I guess the most amazing thing is 612 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,250 leaning into it, putting all your force on that, 613 00:31:10,450 --> 00:31:12,370 no-- nothing moves at all. 614 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:16,080 And when the reactor's off, you can easily slide it. 615 00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:19,500 You know, so, that's-- that's really impressive. 616 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:24,580 We call this a gravity propelled craft, a gravity generator. 617 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:27,540 And we're calling it that because, 618 00:31:27,910 --> 00:31:30,040 we know what-- we know the effects of gravity. 619 00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:31,910 We know how it works. 620 00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:35,120 Um, we don't know everything about it, but... 621 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,370 ...this produces an effect similar to gravity. 622 00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:39,700 So we're calling it that 623 00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:41,870 because we don't know of any other forces 624 00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:43,580 that exist like that. 625 00:31:43,790 --> 00:31:45,580 This could, of course, be 626 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,370 something other than gravity. 627 00:31:47,540 --> 00:31:49,160 This could be a completely other force 628 00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:51,000 that we're just not familiar with. 629 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,790 And we're just labeling it, you know, as gravity propulsion, 630 00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:56,910 a gravity field coming off of here, uh, 631 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,870 just because that's all we're familiar with. 632 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,580 Um, but... 633 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,370 keeping that in mind, 634 00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:03,910 we tried to see if it was 635 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,410 possible to shield it 636 00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:08,000 with, uh, different materials. 637 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,330 You know, we tried cardboard, plastic, metal, everything. 638 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:14,540 And the field-- Eh-- 639 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:16,830 The field interacts with everything. 640 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,580 Um, and there's nothing really that shields it. 641 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,950 So... um... 642 00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:25,500 You know, it's-- again, it behaves like 643 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:27,250 gravity does, but... 644 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,910 ...it could certainly be something else. 645 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,290 Part of the fear was based in the fact that 646 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:37,790 they had said I was replacing somebody 647 00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:39,450 that was killed in the project. 648 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:43,580 They were being pressed to produce some results. 649 00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:46,830 And, I think, from what I understand, 650 00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:49,830 they cut into an operating reactor 651 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,620 and it detonated. 652 00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:57,660 It's not like it was a-- 653 00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:00,700 you know, a research project where you're-- 654 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,370 you're really into it. 655 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:06,250 It was-- it was exactly like disarming a bomb... 656 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:08,330 ...every single day. 657 00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:11,000 That's what it was like, because, a-- once again, 658 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,080 we had no idea what we were working with. 659 00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:16,750 And we were working with absolutely tremendous 660 00:33:16,910 --> 00:33:18,660 amounts of energy, 661 00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:22,450 tremendous amounts of power, in very condensed sources. 662 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:24,160 The slightest wrong move 663 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:26,330 could release a tremendous amount of energy. 664 00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:34,620 So as part of our investigation, 665 00:33:34,790 --> 00:33:36,700 we go through all the normal protocols. 666 00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:39,000 We contact the U.S. Air Force at Nellis. 667 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,160 I'm asking questions about Area 51. 668 00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:42,790 They won't answer any. 669 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:45,620 Um, later on, I asked them about a place called S4. 670 00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:47,700 I called the Nellis Air Force Base, 671 00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:49,830 with their public information office, 672 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,870 somebody I had got to know over the years, 673 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,250 "Do you have any place called S4 674 00:33:54,580 --> 00:33:55,540 on the Nellis Range?" 675 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,080 And the answer was yes. 676 00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:59,040 And in fact, they said there's more than one. 677 00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:01,580 I said "Can you tell us where it is?" "No." 678 00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:03,910 "Can you tell us what goes on there?" "No." 679 00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:06,040 "But it's real?" "Yes." 680 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,620 And I asked them about Papoose Lake. 681 00:34:07,790 --> 00:34:09,580 "You got anything there?" "No. Absolutely not." 682 00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:13,160 "Nothing, ever." And I'd asked people who worked out there, 683 00:34:13,410 --> 00:34:16,950 anything at S4, Papoose Lake. "Never, ever. 684 00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:19,750 We don't even have a way to get there. There's nothing there." 685 00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:21,790 I knew that was not true. 686 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,870 You know, we eventually got some satellite photos 687 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,950 that showed us there's a road from Groom down to Papoose. 688 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:28,830 Why do you build a road down there to 689 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,620 a place that doesn't exist and there's nothing there? 690 00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:34,080 The S4 installation is built into the mountain, 691 00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:36,040 and the hangar doors are built on an angle 692 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,040 commensurate with the slope of the mountain. 693 00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:40,700 These doors are covered with a sand textured coating 694 00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:43,500 to blend in with the side of the mountain and the desert floor. 695 00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:45,830 - So here's the entrance, right here. - Okay. 696 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,580 This is-- this is the area where the-- the hangar doors are. 697 00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:51,200 - Mm-hmm. - -And then this is, let's say, 698 00:34:51,370 --> 00:34:53,080 the side door, where the mouse is here. 699 00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:57,080 And as of the f-- 25th of June 2024, 700 00:34:57,540 --> 00:35:01,450 the terrain here is so, let's call it beige or yellow, 701 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:03,580 - Mm-hmm. - which was not like that. 702 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:07,580 Because if I click on the timeline, 703 00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:09,950 - you can go back in time in Google Earth. - -Mm-hmm. 704 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,700 So... if I go just one notch, 705 00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:14,250 - Mm. - look at-- look at the difference 706 00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:15,250 - in color of the terrain. - Yeah, yeah- 707 00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:16,950 That's the actual color. 708 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:23,120 And in the-- the 2022 version of the satellite imagery, 709 00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:25,910 you actually see detail here. 710 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,120 And if you get closer, you get-- you even see 711 00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:30,950 - the Joshua trees and all that. - Mm-hmm. 712 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,250 But if I bring this back to the latest, 713 00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:37,000 - look how-- Everything disappeared. - -Everything disappears. 714 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,540 Which is clearly intentional. 715 00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,160 But what it did is 716 00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:44,950 you no longer-- so, you can actually fade-- zoom out 717 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,660 you'll see this beige-- 718 00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:48,500 - Look how they-- - Oh, wow! 719 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:49,870 Isn't that in-- interesting? 720 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,750 Interesting. 721 00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:53,080 - It's unbelievably intentional. - It's-- it's unbelievable. 722 00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:55,410 Look how incredibly-- 723 00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:58,250 - look how they identified that area. - Let's just pick 724 00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:59,910 - Papoose Lake and fuck it up - Yeah, did you-- you saw that? 725 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,580 - so you can't see anything. - Yeah. So 726 00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:03,700 - look at that. - Yeah. It's just S4. 727 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:04,910 Exactly. 728 00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:07,580 Isn't that something? 729 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:09,750 - Yeah. - So now their mistake 730 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:16,000 is that as we zoom into their washed out terrain 731 00:36:16,330 --> 00:36:19,660 around the Papoose area and about-- and around S4, 732 00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:23,540 their new filter, that they put in there 733 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,700 allows us to see... 734 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,700 - All right. Mm-hmm. - the tracks, 735 00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:29,790 - which you couldn't see earlier. - Mm. 736 00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:33,500 So now you have this incredibly clear-- 737 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:35,870 Yeah, they say where no one ever drives, it's, 738 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,580 - it's to-- Yeah. - Yeah. 739 00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:41,750 And so you even have on bordering the terrain area 740 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:43,500 and the actual dry lake, 741 00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:45,870 if you get really close, you can 742 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,700 - Yeah, yeah. - actually see the tracks. 743 00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:49,790 Yeah, well, yeah, we drove right along that dry lake. 744 00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:52,120 That's unquestionably where we were. 745 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,080 And so, interestingly, 746 00:36:57,250 --> 00:36:59,580 we see the tracks, which are literally 747 00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,500 - right by S4. - Yeah. 748 00:37:01,660 --> 00:37:03,790 And then if you go to this other road, 749 00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:05,540 - see, there's a little road here. - -Mm-hmm. 750 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:09,250 Okay, which is very near S4 and we go here. 751 00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:11,830 You can clearly see the tracks, look at them 752 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,700 - going in every direction, - Yeah, yeah. 753 00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:15,540 and you-- look at all the-- the traffic. 754 00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:17,120 - Yeah. - Right? 755 00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:18,790 Yeah, that's not one guy driving around. 756 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:20,500 No, that's not one guy dri-- exactly, so... 757 00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:22,700 Again, there's no public out there. 758 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,120 So, what are you doing? Yeah. 759 00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:26,870 This is Google Earth, so it's not like we're-- 760 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,790 we're making this up. This is online. 761 00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:31,410 Anybody can actually go there and actually do the timeline. 762 00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:35,040 'Cause if I just click here on 2022... 763 00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:36,950 Oop, just let me do that. 764 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,410 - There. There you go. - Yeah. 765 00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:40,080 It's-- it's back to normal. 766 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:43,410 And now you can actually see... the terrain. 767 00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:46,580 Now we'll go into the more interesting part 768 00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:47,830 where... 769 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,290 there's a series of photographs. 770 00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:53,450 We already had gone through this, about a year ago. 771 00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:56,250 And there was a person who had 772 00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:59,540 flown into the restricted airspace out there 773 00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:03,120 and had a very good quality camera on board 774 00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:05,540 - Mm-hmm. - of his private plane, 775 00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:09,410 and snapped about eight to 900 images 776 00:38:09,580 --> 00:38:12,290 of Area 51, the Groom Lake facility, 777 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:15,750 Papoose mountain range, Papoose Lake and all that area. 778 00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:18,830 And-- and did an incredible tour. 779 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,700 He even had the Nevada test site where there's all the craters 780 00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:23,290 of all the bombs that blew up. 781 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,200 And there's this picture, that is publicly available. 782 00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:31,750 It's been publicly available now for over five years. 783 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:36,660 And this is a picture that was taken at about 17 miles 784 00:38:36,830 --> 00:38:39,620 from the Papoose Lake area, 785 00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:42,200 where the hill is located, where 786 00:38:42,370 --> 00:38:44,410 you said S4 was located. 787 00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:47,330 Initially, the picture was utilized 788 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:49,910 by a whole bunch of people online saying, 789 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,830 "As you can see, whatever Bob Lazar said was untrue. 790 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,370 - There's nothing there." - Mm-hmm. 791 00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:58,000 Obviously... the picture doesn't show anything. 792 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,040 Well, all you have to do is play with the contrast, 793 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,330 play with the-- the-- 794 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:05,080 - the levels in the image. - Mm-hmm. 795 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,450 And if you look carefully 796 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:10,120 in this version here, where it's-- 797 00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:11,910 the contrast has been changed, 798 00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:14,040 the-- as we zoom... 799 00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:18,580 - ...look what you see. - -Yeah, you can start seeing, uh... 800 00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:21,370 - You see them clearly right there. - -Yeah. 801 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:24,120 Yeah, the slanted rectangular doors, yeah. 802 00:39:24,370 --> 00:39:26,290 And what's really interesting about it 803 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:28,290 is that if you look carefully... 804 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:30,620 They're like they're-- I mean, they're made 805 00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:32,580 to not be visible. 806 00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:35,410 - Yeah. - So yeah, you wouldn't expect them, 807 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,660 on a normal photo to show up. 808 00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:39,950 I mean, they're trying to hide them from satellite photos. 809 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,660 So, but, um, yeah, this seems to be an effective way 810 00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:45,870 of bringing that resolution out. 811 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,950 And if you look carefully, 812 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:52,250 the first one is slightly wider. 813 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,120 - Oh, that's a good point. That's a big hangar. - Then, that's-- 814 00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:57,080 Yeah. Hey, that's a really good point. 815 00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:59,200 - Look at that. - Yeah, you can actually see it. 816 00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:00,330 - Yeah. - Look at the difference 817 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:01,750 between the-- the first one 818 00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:03,120 and the second and the third. 819 00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:04,830 - Yeah! I've never seen that. - Yeah. 820 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,450 - Yeah. That's-- That's pretty cool. - Yeah. 821 00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:08,950 So it doesn't provide the world evidence that 822 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,620 there were flying saucers there 823 00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:12,160 - or it doesn't say-- - No, of course not. 824 00:40:12,330 --> 00:40:15,330 Yeah. But it-- it is incredibly interesting 825 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:19,200 that the image shows pretty much exactly what you had said 826 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:21,040 - Mm-hmm. - in 1989. 827 00:40:21,330 --> 00:40:25,080 And if you hadn't been there, and you hadn't seen that, 828 00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:28,750 then you predicted something that was pretty amazing. 829 00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:31,620 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you could say that about a lot of stuff. 830 00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:33,330 I said-- yeah, yeah, right. 831 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,540 Everything I say just happens to be the way it is. 832 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,830 But, uh, yeah, that's-- that's fascinating. 833 00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:12,500 The second time I went out to the site, 834 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:15,870 the bus, as it arrived at the S4 facility 835 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,910 did not make the left turn and slowed down. 836 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,290 It stopped in front of the hill. 837 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:25,750 And when I got out of the bus and walked around to the front, 838 00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:29,450 I can see a full view of where we were working. 839 00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:33,830 And this time I can see there was a large hangar door open 840 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,790 in the side of the hill. 841 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,700 Inside the hangar door... was... 842 00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:41,750 the sport model, the flying saucer. 843 00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:06,330 The first thing that went through my mind is, 844 00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:09,620 "Well, this explains all the silly UFO reports 845 00:42:09,790 --> 00:42:12,160 where we are making a secret fighter 846 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:14,080 that's in the shape of a flying saucer. 847 00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:16,700 And... that's all there is to it." 848 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:21,950 We walked into the hangar and I was instructed to walk 849 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,080 with my eyes forward and 850 00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:26,450 just enter the door at the end of the hangar. 851 00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:29,120 I slid my hand along the side of the craft, 852 00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:32,160 got reprimanded right away for doing that. 853 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:36,450 But the craft itself had a part of the hatch was removed, or... 854 00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:38,580 I guess it's the entire hatch. 855 00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:41,870 And you could see right next to the hatch, 856 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,500 there was a backwards American flag stuck on there. 857 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:47,790 Again, that kind of cemented into my mind, 858 00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:49,620 "Well, this is an American product." 859 00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:51,540 Why they put the backwards American flag 860 00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:52,910 on there, I'll never know. 861 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,500 But, um, anyway, we continued in 862 00:42:55,830 --> 00:42:58,790 and, uh, I went into the lab from there. 863 00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:02,250 But that was the first time I ever had contact with the craft. 864 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:09,750 Barry was showing me how, uh, 865 00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:12,160 the field comes out of the emitter 866 00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:13,910 and what it can do. 867 00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:17,120 And he took a regular kitchen candle, 868 00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:20,120 lit it, and he put it near the mouth 869 00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:22,080 of the, uh-- the emitter. 870 00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:23,620 And... 871 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,910 when he rotated the emitter... 872 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,580 ...the flame stopped flickering. 873 00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:31,540 It just stood like it was a photograph of itself. 874 00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:33,160 Barry said, you know, 875 00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:35,040 "What do you think is unusual about that?" 876 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,790 I said, "Aside from the fact the candle's not moving anymore?" 877 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,750 And he said, "Just think about it." 878 00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,120 I said, "Yeah, it's still 879 00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:44,000 emitting light, and it's not moving. 880 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,250 So the photons are still moving." 881 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,160 But again, if it's a gravity wave 882 00:43:48,330 --> 00:43:50,200 coming out of there, gravity bends light. 883 00:43:50,370 --> 00:43:51,870 It should look distorted. 884 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,200 I should-- I should either not be able to see it 885 00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:58,330 or the whole image of it gets bent or distorted, but, 886 00:43:58,620 --> 00:44:01,200 how can the flame stop moving 887 00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:04,870 and it still be emitting light without any distortion? 888 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,660 So, these are some of the things that really made me think, 889 00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:10,830 "It's not a gravity wave. 890 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,950 There's something else 'cause it's not behaving 891 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,120 exactly like that." 892 00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:19,250 So-- and also he removed the candle 893 00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:21,830 and then rotated the emitter. 894 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,080 I don't know if it was another direction 895 00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:24,540 or more of the same way, 896 00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:27,410 but it made a little black ball in the air 897 00:44:27,580 --> 00:44:29,450 where no light was esca-- escaping, 898 00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:31,080 looking like a little black hole. 899 00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:33,870 But no, you could just tell there was no light 900 00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:36,410 at the focal point, right in the air. 901 00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:38,250 It was just, uh, a dark area. 902 00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:40,790 So there it's affecting light, 903 00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:43,910 but it wasn't in the candle test before that. 904 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,000 So, it-- 905 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,410 it's a really unusual, unusual thing. 906 00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:56,660 One time in particular that we got somewhat mischievous, 907 00:44:56,830 --> 00:45:01,370 we had a reactor operating and the field 908 00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:05,290 that develops around it is somewhat elastic. 909 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:08,330 So, you can take and try and 910 00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:12,040 push on the hemisphere with your hands and you can't-- 911 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:14,790 can't touch it. It repels like-- 912 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,870 like poles of a magnet, but somewhat elastic. 913 00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:21,580 So, to demonstrate this, Barry had a golf ball. 914 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,330 He threw it at the reactor, and it didn't hit it. 915 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:29,120 It rebounded off and then knocked the ceiling tile loose, 916 00:45:29,290 --> 00:45:31,370 which we immediately panicked 917 00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:33,540 because we knew Dennis was coming back in. 918 00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:36,660 So we had to scramble to replace the ceiling tile and 919 00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:38,620 clean up all the little fragments of 920 00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:40,330 particles that dislodged from it. 921 00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:46,500 I heard it a couple times "Meet me in the big hangar." 922 00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:49,870 And I don't remember if it was Dennis or Barry 923 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,910 that also referred to where the sport model was. 924 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,370 That hangar was the big hangar. 925 00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:57,370 The hangar that housed the sport model 926 00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:59,080 was like a typical airplane hangar 927 00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:00,540 with the exception of the angled 928 00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:02,160 doors that I mentioned before. 929 00:46:02,330 --> 00:46:03,790 This hangar was equipped with typical tools 930 00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:05,750 and extensive electronic equipment. 931 00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:08,330 It also had a machine with an X-ray emblem on it 932 00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:11,040 and an overhead crane rated at 20,000 pounds. 933 00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:14,160 Equipment in this hangar was marked with a black number 41 934 00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:15,830 with a white circle around it. 935 00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:19,790 Well, the hangar was lit by mercury vapor lights. 936 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,750 I don't-- cone-shaped lights. 937 00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:24,120 There was a countless number of them on the ceiling. 938 00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:28,370 Um, in addition to those, there were, uh, tripod halogen lights, 939 00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:30,250 dual head halogen lights set up. 940 00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:32,620 And those really provided a lot of bright light 941 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:34,250 for working close up and, 942 00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:36,250 uh... those were a lot more 943 00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:37,870 useful than the overhead lights. 944 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,620 I had at least partial views 945 00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:44,080 of the nine different discs out at S4. 946 00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,660 But the one I'm going to describe to you now 947 00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:48,580 is the one in which I not only saw 948 00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:50,540 two of the three interior levels, 949 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,370 but I also saw it fully functional in flight. 950 00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:57,120 This particular disc appeared to be in excellent condition. 951 00:46:57,370 --> 00:46:58,790 And because of its sleek appearance, 952 00:46:58,950 --> 00:47:00,620 I nicknamed it "The sport model." 953 00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:04,080 Now, previously I had estimated the sport model to be 954 00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:06,750 about 15 feet high and about 40 feet wide. 955 00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:09,580 But since then I've enlisted some expert help 956 00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:11,370 from the field of computer imaging. 957 00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:13,500 And together we've scaled the disc up 958 00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:16,330 from the size of components which I had a close look at 959 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,250 and could accurately establish their actual size. 960 00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:22,160 From this analysis I'm now presenting to you 961 00:47:22,330 --> 00:47:24,370 the most accurate information I can convey 962 00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:26,620 regarding the disc's physical structure. 963 00:47:26,830 --> 00:47:28,750 The sport model is 16 feet tall 964 00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:31,410 and 52 feet 9 inches in diameter. 965 00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:34,120 The exterior skin of the disc is metal, 966 00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:36,620 which is the color of unpolished stainless steel. 967 00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:39,870 The sport model sits on its belly when it's not energized 968 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,450 and not the stereotypical tripod legs 969 00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:45,790 that folklore usually associates with this type of craft. 970 00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:48,160 As you can see the entry hatch 971 00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:50,500 is located on the upper half of the disc 972 00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:52,750 with just the bottom portion of the door 973 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:54,870 wrapping around the center lip of the disc. 974 00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:58,160 The interior of the disc is divided into three levels. 975 00:47:58,750 --> 00:48:01,250 The lower level is where the three gravity emitters 976 00:48:01,410 --> 00:48:03,250 and their wave guides are located. 977 00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:05,950 These are the integral components 978 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,700 of the propulsion system 979 00:48:07,870 --> 00:48:10,540 that are used to amplify and focus the gravity "A" wave. 980 00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:14,290 The reactor is located directly above the three gravity emitters 981 00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:17,500 on the center level, and is in fact, centered between them. 982 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,450 The center level of the disc houses the amplifier heads 983 00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:22,700 as well as the seats which were too small and 984 00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:24,450 too low to the floor to be functional 985 00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:25,870 for adult human beings. 986 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,750 The walls of the center level are all 987 00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:29,580 divided into archways. 988 00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:32,040 At one point in time when the disc was energized 989 00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:34,370 one of the archways became transparent 990 00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:36,660 and you could see the area outside of it, 991 00:48:36,910 --> 00:48:39,000 just as if the archway was a window. 992 00:48:39,540 --> 00:48:41,040 Then a form of writing, 993 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,120 which was unlike any alphabetic, scientific, 994 00:48:43,290 --> 00:48:45,250 or mathematical symbols I've ever seen, 995 00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:48,450 began to appear on one side of the transparent archway. 996 00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:51,290 I was never given access to the upper level of the disc 997 00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:54,700 so I can't enlighten you as to what the porthole-like areas are 998 00:48:54,910 --> 00:48:57,290 other than that, I can assure you, they're not portholes. 999 00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:03,120 Any time... I was in the big hangar 1000 00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:06,750 my eyes were always focused right on the sport model. 1001 00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:10,200 There could have been fires going on on either side of me 1002 00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:13,040 and I would still have been looking at it. 1003 00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:15,500 It-- It was that captivating. 1004 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,870 When I was close to the sport model, 1005 00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:21,000 I really focused on the skin of the craft. 1006 00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:24,000 What it looked like, how it changed, the color. 1007 00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:28,040 It has a small antenna looking device which is actually 1008 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,500 a waveguide, that protrudes from the top. 1009 00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:33,450 It is like a pewter gray in color. 1010 00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:35,200 It appears to be metal. 1011 00:49:35,370 --> 00:49:37,080 I felt it. It's cold. 1012 00:49:37,330 --> 00:49:40,500 It may not be. It might be some advanced ceramic of some type. 1013 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,330 So the body of the craft had ripples. 1014 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,500 The-- one of them we call the insulation ring. 1015 00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:49,580 It was a dark black color. 1016 00:49:49,950 --> 00:49:51,580 The only thing on the outside 1017 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:53,700 that was a different color than the craft. 1018 00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:55,540 We call it the insulation ring because 1019 00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:57,700 when the craft is in operation 1020 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,750 there is a high voltage detectable on-- 1021 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:02,660 on the skin of the craft, 1022 00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:05,830 but that high voltage is not present above that ring. 1023 00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:09,370 The upper part of the craft above the insulation ring 1024 00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:11,500 were what we call the planar arrays. 1025 00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:15,790 Flat window-looking, porthole-looking openings in the craft. 1026 00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:18,370 They-- they were unusually dark. 1027 00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:22,330 Really dark. Almost looked like holes, although there weren't. 1028 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,080 It was theorized that they were used to determine the craft's 1029 00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:28,750 location in space. 1030 00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:31,660 Each one of them, looking out in space 1031 00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:35,250 apparently looking at star positions or whatever e-- 1032 00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:38,750 energy or light it uses to locate its place. 1033 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:42,370 Each one looking in a different direction and then 1034 00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:44,750 some sort of computer, uh, 1035 00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:47,410 in the upper level that takes that data 1036 00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:50,290 and figures out its location. 1037 00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,080 Again, I may be completely wrong, 1038 00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:56,500 or the people that came up with that may be completely wrong 1039 00:50:56,660 --> 00:50:59,120 but I would agree with that just looking at it, that-- 1040 00:50:59,750 --> 00:51:02,500 that it has to be something along those lines. 1041 00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:04,160 I walked up to the stairs 1042 00:51:04,330 --> 00:51:06,040 that led to the entrance of the craft. 1043 00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:10,200 I remember, climbing the stairs, how excited I was, 1044 00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:13,620 to finally get to see what's inside the craft. 1045 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,870 When I got to the top of the stairs I can clearly see 1046 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,160 the reversed American flag to my left. 1047 00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:23,330 The hatchway is fairly small and I put 1048 00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:27,250 my hands on both sides of it to bend down to go inside 1049 00:51:27,580 --> 00:51:30,290 and when I did, my hand was near 1050 00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:33,660 the reversed American flag so I noticed the exact size, 1051 00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:36,950 it was just a little more than a span, a little more than 1052 00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:39,290 you know, as far as my fingers stretched 1053 00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:42,870 and I glanced down and looked at the security guard 1054 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,950 who was staring at me and just kind of gave him a smile, 1055 00:51:46,410 --> 00:51:48,870 and, you know, proceeded into the craft. 1056 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,870 I was shocked at how sparse the inside of the craft was. 1057 00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:06,290 Everything was the same color, the same texture, 1058 00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:09,080 and it all appeared to be the same material. 1059 00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:12,700 Virtually everything had a radius of curvature to it 1060 00:52:12,910 --> 00:52:15,120 and everything looked like it was molded together, 1061 00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:17,200 with the exception of the reactor. 1062 00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:19,580 Even though there were two tripod lights set up 1063 00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:22,500 inside the craft, it was still very dark. 1064 00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:25,370 I've often described the interior of the craft 1065 00:52:25,540 --> 00:52:27,160 as being very ominous. 1066 00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:30,620 I got to look inside and it had 1067 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,950 really small chairs and I think that was the first... 1068 00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:37,450 ...confirmation I had, that was just a shocking thing 1069 00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:40,120 because it-- every time before that I was able to label it 1070 00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:41,410 "Well this is just... 1071 00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:44,450 ...oh, a little advance that a group of 1072 00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:46,160 scientists had formed and, you know, they're 1073 00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:47,910 keeping it secret" and, "Yeah, we could have built 1074 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,950 a big disc like that, that's no problem and 1075 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,580 you know, we could have adapted these to make it fly," but... 1076 00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:55,160 ...why does it have little furniture inside? 1077 00:52:55,330 --> 00:52:57,040 Essentially a little seat and now and it-- 1078 00:52:57,450 --> 00:53:00,080 And things began to click together just all too fast. 1079 00:53:01,580 --> 00:53:03,910 I was in there with my lab partner Barry 1080 00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:08,040 and there was also another team working elsewhere in the craft. 1081 00:53:08,830 --> 00:53:11,450 While going over the reactor placement 1082 00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:14,370 Barry drew my attention to the archways 1083 00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:16,620 that all surrounded the interior of the craft 1084 00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:19,910 explaining they were hollow, and actually waveguides. 1085 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:21,790 The waveguide, which... 1086 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,200 terminates, is the antenna looking object from the top. 1087 00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:29,330 Yeah, that kind of folds down on itself so it 1088 00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:33,120 extends and retracts and that sits on the top of the reactor 1089 00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:37,700 that essentially channels the gravity wave up there 1090 00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:40,500 and into the superstructure around the craft 1091 00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:42,410 so it's dispersed evenly. 1092 00:53:42,830 --> 00:53:45,410 While we were working next to the reactor 1093 00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:48,330 I got a really good look at the three seats 1094 00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,370 or what we assumed to be seats, 1095 00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:54,700 that were far too small to be usable by an adult human. 1096 00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:58,290 You know, if you look at the seats 1097 00:53:58,450 --> 00:54:00,580 what I call the seats, the placement, 1098 00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:03,040 one of them, the waveguide in the reactor 1099 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,660 is directly in front of a seat. 1100 00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:09,580 Why would you ever do that? 1101 00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:13,000 I mean, either... the guy that sits in that seat 1102 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,750 is on reactor watch and he just sits there and 1103 00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:17,790 makes sure everything runs the all but... 1104 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,750 it doesn't make any-- and that's the only one 1105 00:54:20,910 --> 00:54:25,000 that faces directly at the panel that became transparent. 1106 00:54:25,450 --> 00:54:27,500 While we were working on the reactor 1107 00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:31,200 I saw one of the archways become completely transparent, 1108 00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:33,290 where I could see outside the craft. 1109 00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:35,540 This immediately caught my attention 1110 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,080 and as I focused on it 1111 00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:40,080 half that archway turned an opaque blue, 1112 00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:42,750 and black symbols began to appear 1113 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,410 on that blue portion of the archway. 1114 00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:48,540 I'd never really seen symbols like that before, 1115 00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:51,000 but my closest analogy to it 1116 00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:53,250 would be... Korean writing. 1117 00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,040 The symbols themselves were not completely static. 1118 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,580 They were slowly tilting back and forth. 1119 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,410 While that archway had my attention, my lab partner Barry 1120 00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:04,160 whispered my name to me 1121 00:55:04,330 --> 00:55:06,500 to get my attention back to where it belonged. 1122 00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:10,910 When I was in the craft... and 1123 00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:14,870 I was kneeling down by the reactor and looked up at 1124 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,450 the screen, Barry just said, 1125 00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:18,790 "Bob, Bob," 1126 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,450 you know, like, "What are you doing?" 1127 00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:24,000 "That's not you," you know, "look down here," 1128 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,750 which is what broke my attention, to go there. 1129 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,620 But yeah, and-- but when he-- my point was when he said it, 1130 00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:31,160 he-- he just kind of whispered it. 1131 00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:33,290 It's like-- it's like you're in a library, 1132 00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:35,040 - you know, so there's no-- - Mm. 1133 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,910 no loud talking. "Hey Bill, 1134 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,330 get me--" you know, it's just like... 1135 00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:43,910 So, I don't know the reasoning behind that, but you know, 1136 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,660 it's-- it's like a library. 1137 00:55:46,580 --> 00:55:49,000 I can see that the craft had been worked on before 1138 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,040 and probably for quite some time. 1139 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,910 One of the amplifiers had been cut out with a plasma cutter. 1140 00:55:55,290 --> 00:55:59,000 Other teams were working on the skin of the craft, 1141 00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:02,870 and there were lights, extension cords, and other equipment 1142 00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:06,040 that were all over the inside of the craft. 1143 00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:09,700 You had noticed that one of the amplifiers 1144 00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:12,080 had been cut out of the craft. 1145 00:56:12,620 --> 00:56:13,660 Yeah. 1146 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,290 You know, you said 1147 00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:17,290 "They must have really been sure." 1148 00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:21,000 You had to been a hundred percent confident, 1149 00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:25,950 that... you weren't gonna ruin the operation of anything 1150 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,160 if you went to the lenghts to remove 1151 00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:32,040 an entire amplifier out of the craft. 1152 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,660 Now... look, 1153 00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:35,370 once you remove that out, 1154 00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:38,910 the craft can't operate in-- in Delta mode anymore, 1155 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,620 which makes you wonder if they did that... 1156 00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:45,370 intentionally, so it couldn't operate in that mode, you know, 1157 00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:48,000 kind of the equivalent of clipping a bird's wings, 1158 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,700 keeping it, you know, so it 1159 00:56:49,870 --> 00:56:51,160 can't fly away anywhere. 1160 00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:55,750 Somewhere, someone, and probably certainly more than one person, 1161 00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:58,200 uh, a group of people agreed that, 1162 00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:59,540 "Let's go take that out," 1163 00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:01,830 and they had a damn good reason to do it. 1164 00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:07,200 But they must have been absolutely convinced, 1165 00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:09,250 they knew what was going on. Removed it. 1166 00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:11,410 Moved it into the lab, 1167 00:57:11,830 --> 00:57:14,500 and they were still able to operate the craft without it. 1168 00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:18,290 So, that uh-- clearly a lot went on before I got there. 1169 00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:24,450 At one point, Barry instructed me to go behind the seats 1170 00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:27,330 and pointed towards a small 1171 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:30,160 honeycombed hatchway, flush with the floor. 1172 00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:33,120 We both crawled over to the hatchway, 1173 00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:36,750 and Barry showed me where to put my finger in and pull backwards, 1174 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,950 and... the little honeycombed hatchway collapsed, 1175 00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:42,080 leaving an opening in the floor, 1176 00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:44,160 big enough to barely squeeze through, 1177 00:57:44,330 --> 00:57:46,580 and look down into the lower level. 1178 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,250 I was able to get the upper part of my body into the hatchway, 1179 00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:55,000 and got a good view of the three emitters, hanging below. 1180 00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:57,040 The lower level was very dark. 1181 00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:59,290 There was just enough light coming in, 1182 00:57:59,450 --> 00:58:02,790 under the entrance hatchway, to see the emitters 1183 00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:04,540 and the lower part of the craft. 1184 00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:06,660 The emitters were the only things that were 1185 00:58:06,830 --> 00:58:07,830 a-- a different color. 1186 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,160 They were black. 1187 00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:11,660 The bottoms of them... were hollow 1188 00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:13,540 and you could see 1189 00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:17,410 some sort of copper colored plates inside there. 1190 00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:22,040 They were hung by large diameter tubes, 1191 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,950 maybe three inches or so, 1192 00:58:24,290 --> 00:58:25,700 just like the waveguide 1193 00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:28,080 that extends down onto the reactor. 1194 00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:33,250 When all three of the amplifiers are being used for travel, 1195 00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:35,040 they're in the Delta configuration. 1196 00:58:35,370 --> 00:58:37,200 And when only one is being used for travel, 1197 00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:38,700 it's in the Omicron configuration. 1198 00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:40,330 So as far as propulsion, 1199 00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:42,750 the craft operates in two different modes, 1200 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,500 called Omicron and Delta. 1201 00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:48,540 Omicron meaning one and Delta meaning three, 1202 00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:51,330 and that's referring to how many of the amplifiers and 1203 00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:53,000 emitters are being used. 1204 00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:57,120 So in Omicron configuration, the craft lifts off the ground 1205 00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:59,620 using one amplifier and one emitter. 1206 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,160 The other two emitters can swing all the way up to 1207 00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:05,870 180 degrees out the side of the craft, 1208 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,750 and what that does is cause distortion 1209 00:59:09,330 --> 00:59:12,450 in space and kind of forces the craft 1210 00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:15,000 to fall into that distortion. 1211 00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:18,160 Kind of the opposite of the way our aircraft work. 1212 00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:21,200 Instead of throwing material out the back, 1213 00:59:21,370 --> 00:59:23,620 this causes some sort of distortion 1214 00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:26,330 in front of it, where it's drawn into. 1215 00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:33,790 The other mode of operation, Delta configuration, 1216 00:59:34,290 --> 00:59:38,160 is really used when the craft is outside the atmosphere 1217 00:59:38,330 --> 00:59:39,910 where it's sitting in free space. 1218 00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:42,790 In that mode, the craft rotates on its side. 1219 00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:46,500 It does a belly roll, and faces the bottom of the craft 1220 00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:48,250 towards the destination. 1221 00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:52,000 The three emitters, in the bottom of the craft, 1222 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,790 focus on the destination. 1223 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,870 They're brought up to power and the craft makes a jump. 1224 00:59:57,450 --> 01:00:01,950 Now, the amplifiers don't operate on a continuous fashion. 1225 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,410 They pulse. 1226 01:00:03,580 --> 01:00:05,450 They produce a pulse of energy 1227 01:00:05,620 --> 01:00:08,870 and then require a recycle time. 1228 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,950 It's somewhere around 10 milliseconds 1229 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,700 or something like that, 1230 01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:16,540 but... then they essentially can fire again 1231 01:00:16,790 --> 01:00:17,750 and make another jump. 1232 01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:19,120 So, in traveling to 1233 01:00:19,290 --> 01:00:20,580 a distant location, 1234 01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:22,870 the craft will make several jumps. 1235 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,750 It's never just one long jump, you know, 1236 01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:27,830 across the galaxy or something like that. 1237 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,040 It's just a series of jumps and that's-- 1238 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,370 that's how it moves. 1239 01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:33,290 When it arrives to where it is, 1240 01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:35,580 it'll get close to the destination, 1241 01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:37,660 switch over to Omicron mode, 1242 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,580 and... set down or cruise around or whatever its plan was. 1243 01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:50,410 As I went through the other folders, there was, uh, 1244 01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:53,160 another project called Sidekick, which dealt 1245 01:00:53,330 --> 01:00:57,040 with any weapon potential of this spacecraft. 1246 01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,500 That was w-- weapons applications, 1247 01:00:58,660 --> 01:01:00,540 and I knew a little bit more about that. 1248 01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:04,080 That was because the-- the gravity amplifiers were used 1249 01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:09,160 as a-- a collimating device to-- I mean, to-- to narrow the beam 1250 01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,410 of something that appeared to be like a particle weapon. 1251 01:01:12,580 --> 01:01:15,410 And it seemed to be dealing with an accelerated particle 1252 01:01:15,580 --> 01:01:18,950 of some kind that was focused or held in place, 1253 01:01:19,450 --> 01:01:23,250 and prevented from dispersing by the gravity amplifiers, 1254 01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:25,660 by the emitters, actually. 1255 01:01:29,410 --> 01:01:32,950 Project Looking Glass had to do with using the... 1256 01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:35,910 gravity amplifiers to distort time. 1257 01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:38,950 And, you know, th-- this isn't implying that 1258 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,950 they were trying to make a time machine, 1259 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,250 but they were trying to create a time differential, 1260 01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:47,330 whether it was in milliseconds or fractions of a second. 1261 01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:50,700 But it had-- it had to do just with... 1262 01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:53,830 ...that force distorting time. 1263 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,950 Now, I mean, we weren't a 100% sure that... 1264 01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,290 that was even gravity what we were dealing with. 1265 01:01:59,620 --> 01:02:02,160 But anyway, the group that was working on that was 1266 01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:06,000 attempting to see if that can distort the flow of time. 1267 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,620 The information in the overview of Project Galileo was accurate. 1268 01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:13,370 I read the overview and later witnessed evidence 1269 01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:14,910 which proved it to be accurate. 1270 01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:17,040 So it is possible that 1271 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,750 scientists involved with other projects, 1272 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,370 could have seen evidence that these 1273 01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:22,000 other overviews were accurate. 1274 01:02:22,450 --> 01:02:24,450 But I can't make that assertion. 1275 01:02:24,830 --> 01:02:27,500 To me, these reports were simply words and pictures on paper. 1276 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,040 The hangars are all connected together 1277 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,750 and there are large bay doors between each one. 1278 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,080 And, uh, there were nine total that I saw. 1279 01:02:44,250 --> 01:02:46,000 Uh, each one being different. 1280 01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:51,410 I was in the lab with Barry and Dennis came in and said, 1281 01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:54,330 "We're conducting a test flight, why don't you guys come out?" 1282 01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:57,500 We left the lab through the side door, 1283 01:02:57,660 --> 01:03:00,750 which leads directly into the-- the large hangar. 1284 01:03:00,910 --> 01:03:02,330 And when I opened the door, 1285 01:03:02,620 --> 01:03:06,080 all the doors between the hangars were open. 1286 01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:10,660 And I looked down and I saw how big the installation was 1287 01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:13,620 and that there were other craft, 1288 01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:15,580 in those other hangars. 1289 01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:18,500 I couldn't see very far because they weren't well lit, 1290 01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:21,290 but it did go on for quite a ways. 1291 01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:25,660 In the hanger adjacent to the sport model was another craft 1292 01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:27,330 that sometimes I refer to as the 1293 01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:29,700 jello mold or the-- the bundt cake. 1294 01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:32,830 It looks like a bundt cake mold without the hole in the middle. 1295 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,660 It appeared to be made of the same material 1296 01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:40,200 as the sport model, same color, same sheen. 1297 01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:42,290 I couldn't see much going on with it. 1298 01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:44,120 Again, this was just a single glance. 1299 01:03:44,290 --> 01:03:47,540 The other craft looked like a top hat or a straw hat, 1300 01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:50,750 straw carnival hat, uh, with a large brim on it. 1301 01:03:50,910 --> 01:03:54,160 This one, same color, same sheen, 1302 01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:56,080 apparently the same material, 1303 01:03:56,290 --> 01:03:59,330 also slightly smaller than the sport model. 1304 01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:01,370 But this one wasn't laying flat on the ground. 1305 01:04:01,540 --> 01:04:03,120 It was leaning on the wall. 1306 01:04:03,370 --> 01:04:06,040 And, what was interesting about this one, 1307 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,660 it had a hole, 1308 01:04:07,830 --> 01:04:10,370 in the side of the brim, if you wanna call it that, 1309 01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:13,080 as if it was shot from underneath with a projectile, 1310 01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:15,620 'cause you could see some of the metal bent outward. 1311 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,790 The craft was already outside of the hangar. 1312 01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:25,410 There were some researchers and some other security personnel 1313 01:04:25,580 --> 01:04:28,500 standing at the opening to the hangar. 1314 01:04:28,910 --> 01:04:30,370 Everybody was looking at the craft. 1315 01:04:30,540 --> 01:04:33,870 There was, uh, what appeared to be a VHF radio 1316 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,000 because what caught my attention was 1317 01:04:36,290 --> 01:04:39,040 they were in communication with someone in the craft 1318 01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:42,410 and... they were using a conventional 1319 01:04:42,580 --> 01:04:45,250 VHF radio... to talk to them. 1320 01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:49,540 And I believe it was in the 140 or 150 megahertz bandwidth 1321 01:04:49,700 --> 01:04:52,330 because it said right on the radio. 1322 01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:54,910 And knowing how the craft worked, 1323 01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,250 it would be impossible for it to receive 1324 01:04:58,410 --> 01:05:00,950 a radio signal through the gravitational field. 1325 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,040 I mean, it even-- it bends light around it. 1326 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,950 There's no way a radio wave is getting inside the craft, 1327 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,370 yet they were talking, uh, to it. 1328 01:05:08,540 --> 01:05:10,580 So I was really perplexed by that 1329 01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:12,790 and for a minute just focused on that 1330 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,910 and looked at the craft and wondered, 1331 01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:18,040 "You know, obviously there's something I'm not getting here." 1332 01:05:18,330 --> 01:05:21,410 Dennis instructed me to go out and I stopped, 1333 01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:24,040 looked at the craft that was sitting on there and 1334 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,870 began to lift off the ground silently. 1335 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,450 There was a little hiss from a corona discharge, 1336 01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:32,250 kind of a bluish purplish glow at the bottom, 1337 01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:34,660 uh, which dissipated as it took off. 1338 01:05:34,830 --> 01:05:36,410 Once it was sitting in the air, 1339 01:05:36,580 --> 01:05:38,330 Dennis instructed me to go further. 1340 01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:39,830 And I went out. 1341 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,540 I didn't look up. I was just 1342 01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:44,120 walking forward and then looked up under the craft 1343 01:05:44,290 --> 01:05:45,660 and I looked back at-- 1344 01:05:46,410 --> 01:05:49,250 at Dennis and he motioned me to come back. 1345 01:05:49,410 --> 01:05:50,790 And I started walking back. 1346 01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:52,330 I saw his hand go up... 1347 01:05:53,410 --> 01:05:56,450 ...and he set the indicators for me to look up and I looked up, 1348 01:05:57,580 --> 01:05:59,410 and the craft wasn't there. 1349 01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:02,250 And I looked over at Dennis 1350 01:06:02,410 --> 01:06:05,410 and he-- he s-- he motioned for me to go-- go back 1351 01:06:05,580 --> 01:06:08,540 and I-- I looked and as I moved forward, 1352 01:06:08,790 --> 01:06:10,620 the craft comes into view. 1353 01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:14,870 So you-- you could actually see the photons bending around 1354 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,750 the gravitational envelope the-- of the craft. 1355 01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:20,290 You can see the sky above the craft 1356 01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:24,080 bending and as you walk by, it comes into view 1357 01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:25,870 and then out of view. It's really-- 1358 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,200 It's-- It really leaves an impression. 1359 01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:30,000 It's a pretty impressive thing to see. 1360 01:06:38,250 --> 01:06:40,500 The hope was ...that... 1361 01:06:41,540 --> 01:06:43,700 ...even something small and insignificant, 1362 01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:45,660 what we would think is insignificant, 1363 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,750 but something small that we can grasp, 1364 01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:49,910 if we really understood it... 1365 01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:53,750 ...as opposed to a big, complicated-- 1366 01:06:53,950 --> 01:06:56,000 you know, like the entire propulsion system. 1367 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,250 But if you can find a single piece and... 1368 01:06:58,830 --> 01:07:02,000 just understood exactly how that worked and how 1369 01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:05,790 their science works, that that would be the key 1370 01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:08,870 and it would-- the rest would all fall down like dominoes. 1371 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,120 Like, "Oh, we-- we got it." 1372 01:07:11,290 --> 01:07:13,540 You know, it's like... 1373 01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:16,410 You know, I have an understanding of transistor 1374 01:07:16,790 --> 01:07:19,410 and then, "Oh, that's how-- and a group of these makes an 1375 01:07:19,580 --> 01:07:22,330 integrated circuit and then an array of these 1376 01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:24,120 and it's in the memory and computer, I would-- 1377 01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:25,950 We got it. It's-- It's done." 1378 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,000 So we were hoping for that chain reaction to take place. 1379 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,370 Maybe it has, but, um, you know, when I was there, it was just-- 1380 01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:35,870 we wanna focus on some small 1381 01:07:36,290 --> 01:07:38,660 aspects of it, and see what happens. 1382 01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:42,870 Right, they had a poster and it looked like a 1383 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,330 commercial poster almost, like it was lithographed 1384 01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,450 and you could buy it at a K-mart or something, 1385 01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:49,500 but they were all over the place and it had the-- 1386 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,750 the disk that I coined the term, the sport model 1387 01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:56,500 was lifted off the ground about three feet at-- at, uh, area S4 1388 01:07:56,660 --> 01:07:58,080 on the dry lake there, and, uh, 1389 01:07:58,250 --> 01:08:00,160 the caption on the bottom said, "They're here." 1390 01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:03,290 Looked like a commercially printed poster 1391 01:08:03,450 --> 01:08:06,120 with the sport model above the desert 1392 01:08:06,290 --> 01:08:08,410 floor that said, "They're here" on it. 1393 01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:11,500 I-- I can't fathom why they did that. 1394 01:08:11,660 --> 01:08:13,790 Or for-- Or where they did it, 1395 01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:17,500 but... it was there. It was there. 1396 01:08:17,660 --> 01:08:19,450 Somebody made it, "They're here" poster. 1397 01:08:19,620 --> 01:08:22,870 You know, I even-- I went up to it and stopped and walked back 1398 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,620 and looked at it and felt it. 1399 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,160 And it was just-- it was just a poster. 1400 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,620 And I-- I st-- to this day, I can't imagine why 1401 01:08:31,790 --> 01:08:34,540 they did that, but I wish I had one. 1402 01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:37,370 They were-- They were pretty cool. 1403 01:08:37,540 --> 01:08:39,540 This technology that you've learned about thus far 1404 01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:41,370 was brought here by some alien beings 1405 01:08:41,540 --> 01:08:44,160 from the Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2 star system. 1406 01:08:45,370 --> 01:08:47,540 Zeta Reticuli is a binary star system, 1407 01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:49,660 which means it has two stars and is located 1408 01:08:49,830 --> 01:08:52,000 approximately 38 light years from Earth. 1409 01:08:53,290 --> 01:08:55,040 These beings are from Reticulum 4, 1410 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,870 which is the fourth planet out from Zeta 2 Reticuli. 1411 01:08:58,500 --> 01:08:59,790 This is the way star systems 1412 01:08:59,950 --> 01:09:01,660 were referred to in these reports. 1413 01:09:01,830 --> 01:09:03,870 They simply designate the name of the star 1414 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,700 and then number the planets from the nearest 1415 01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:07,250 to the furthest from the star. 1416 01:09:07,580 --> 01:09:10,160 Our star, the Sun, was designated as Sol, 1417 01:09:10,330 --> 01:09:12,330 and the Earth was referred to as Sol 3, 1418 01:09:12,540 --> 01:09:14,660 because we're the third planet out from the Sun. 1419 01:09:15,330 --> 01:09:17,250 These beings said that man was the product 1420 01:09:17,410 --> 01:09:19,370 of externally corrected evolution. 1421 01:09:19,660 --> 01:09:21,250 They said that man as a species 1422 01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:23,950 had been genetically altered 65 times. 1423 01:09:24,250 --> 01:09:25,950 They referred to humans as containers, 1424 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,250 yet I don't know what we're containers of. 1425 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,330 These beings said that they had been 1426 01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:31,870 visiting Earth for a long time 1427 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,620 and presented photographic evidence 1428 01:09:33,790 --> 01:09:34,790 which they contended was 1429 01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:36,540 over 10,000 years old. 1430 01:09:36,910 --> 01:09:38,790 There was an exchange of hardware and information 1431 01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:41,290 in central Nevada until 1979, 1432 01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:43,040 at which time there was a conflict 1433 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,080 which brought the program to an abrupt halt. 1434 01:09:45,540 --> 01:09:48,950 The beings left, but were to return at a 1623 date 1435 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,910 and I don't know what that date is. 1436 01:09:51,450 --> 01:09:53,790 With the remaining hardware and information, the U.S. government 1437 01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:55,910 started the Back Engineering Program. 1438 01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:58,000 The parts that Bob read that he was 1439 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,250 least willing to talk to me about, even back then, 1440 01:10:01,580 --> 01:10:04,000 that they had been involved with our-- our DNA, 1441 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,000 with our evolution as a species, 1442 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,750 that they've been tinkering along the way. 1443 01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:09,700 That's pretty disturbing stuff. 1444 01:10:09,870 --> 01:10:11,120 It-- It is disturbing stuff. 1445 01:10:11,290 --> 01:10:12,620 Gene Huff brings that up a lot. 1446 01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:14,500 I mean, I don't talk about it-- 1447 01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:16,160 The main reason is because 1448 01:10:16,330 --> 01:10:18,750 when Barry and I did discuss about their reports, 1449 01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:20,700 he said, "Take everything with a grain of salt, 1450 01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:23,910 because they'll, you know, intentionally inject 1451 01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:25,910 ridiculous things in there. 1452 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,870 So if anything ever gets out, they know exactly 1453 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,500 who to track it back to." 1454 01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:34,500 There were references to, you know, beings 1455 01:10:34,660 --> 01:10:36,080 or pilots or 1456 01:10:36,250 --> 01:10:39,410 whatever, and it s-- some entities that were 1457 01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:41,540 related to the craft, but they were always 1458 01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:43,000 referred to as "the kids." 1459 01:10:46,830 --> 01:10:48,790 In the documentation, 1460 01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:51,330 you saw some pictures of-- of some creature, 1461 01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:52,870 an autopsy of some type. 1462 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,200 Yeah, I did. I saw, some sort-- 1463 01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:57,700 if you even wanna call it some sort of autopsy report. 1464 01:10:57,870 --> 01:10:59,040 - I don't know what a normal - Yeah. 1465 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,620 autopsy report looks like, but... 1466 01:11:01,290 --> 01:11:04,040 Yeah, it had to do with a-- a photograph and drawing of a 1467 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,290 dead creature, with the chest cut open in a T fashion, 1468 01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:11,700 the skin peeled back, and what appeared to be one large 1469 01:11:11,870 --> 01:11:15,290 organ as opposed to a bunch of smaller ones, as if, 1470 01:11:15,450 --> 01:11:16,870 I believe I said it before, 1471 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,870 as if all the organs in our body just grew together 1472 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,660 and operated as one unit. 1473 01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:23,000 That's what it looked like. 1474 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:24,750 And that's what it referred to. 1475 01:11:24,910 --> 01:11:27,250 The beings themselves are three to four feet tall 1476 01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:29,330 and weigh 25 to 50 pounds. 1477 01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:31,660 Their bodies would most closely resemble 1478 01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:33,290 a human toddler's torso, 1479 01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:35,370 if the child was emaciated from hunger. 1480 01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:37,660 They have grayish skin with large heads 1481 01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:39,910 with almond-shaped wraparound eyes. 1482 01:11:40,450 --> 01:11:42,910 They have very slight nose, mouth and ear positions 1483 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,500 and are essentially hairless. 1484 01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:51,500 I believe I was leaving the hangar 1485 01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:55,620 and walked up and glanced through the window of one of the 1486 01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:58,580 other do-- doors as I was proceeding down the hallway. 1487 01:11:58,870 --> 01:12:00,910 And what I saw was 1488 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,120 two technicians or scientists looking down 1489 01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:09,290 and had either one of the seats or a model of one of the seats 1490 01:12:09,450 --> 01:12:12,620 with what I thought was a doll, 1491 01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:15,250 like a small creature or something like that, 1492 01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:17,330 something that would be designed to fit. 1493 01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:20,160 And I think they were just sizing up 1494 01:12:20,370 --> 01:12:24,200 what kind of creature would sit in a seat that size. 1495 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,330 From what I understood, there were Russians working there 1496 01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:35,950 right before I got to the project. 1497 01:12:36,370 --> 01:12:39,910 And apparently there was some big discovery made. 1498 01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:43,160 I-- I don't know what it had to do with 1499 01:12:43,330 --> 01:12:44,700 or what project it had to do with, 1500 01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:46,120 but it was a big deal. 1501 01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:48,500 And as soon as we found that out, 1502 01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:51,620 we stopped the Russians from working with us. 1503 01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:54,540 I mean, they were kicked out of sight and, uh... 1504 01:12:54,910 --> 01:12:56,620 whatever cooperation we had 1505 01:12:57,330 --> 01:12:59,450 going on came to an end. To me, 1506 01:12:59,620 --> 01:13:02,410 obviously Russia had something we needed. 1507 01:13:02,660 --> 01:13:04,660 They must have had some other... 1508 01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:09,370 ET information, um, some technology 1509 01:13:09,620 --> 01:13:11,040 maybe that was compatible with this. 1510 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,290 Maybe they had some other craft or parts or some-- 1511 01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:16,250 They had something that we wanted, 1512 01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:19,160 where we'd go to the in-- unbelievable length 1513 01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:21,580 of allowing them, not just the information, 1514 01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:23,870 but to be on site with us, so, 1515 01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:27,290 there-- there had to be a good reason to do that. 1516 01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:37,870 Dennis instructed me one day that 1517 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,250 I'd be taking a piece of element 115 1518 01:13:40,410 --> 01:13:43,160 to Los Alamos National Labs, in New Mexico. 1519 01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:46,910 I left on one of their planes from the test site 1520 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,450 and while on the plane, 1521 01:13:48,620 --> 01:13:50,290 I was looking through the documentation 1522 01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:53,750 and that's where I noticed, that they had a code name for it. 1523 01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:55,790 It was LA-1000 1524 01:13:55,950 --> 01:13:59,250 and it was classified as a new armor material. 1525 01:13:59,660 --> 01:14:01,540 And that's all that the people at Los Alamos 1526 01:14:01,700 --> 01:14:04,080 were supposed to know, that they were just machining 1527 01:14:04,330 --> 01:14:05,660 an armor material. 1528 01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:07,790 So I had to remain there, 1529 01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:10,120 while they were machining the material 1530 01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:13,000 and return, with not just the material, 1531 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,540 but any waste material or shavings back to S4. 1532 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,290 The strange thing is how it was packed. 1533 01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:21,910 It was packed in aerogel. 1534 01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:26,040 At the time, I had never seen aerogel. 1535 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,660 I had never heard of aerogel. 1536 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,120 It's... essentially silicon dioxide. 1537 01:14:32,290 --> 01:14:34,080 It's-- It's the lightest known solid. 1538 01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:35,830 It's 98% air. 1539 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,370 Why it was packed in this material, I have no idea. 1540 01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:44,620 This contained-- had a cutout for the 115 in it, 1541 01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:47,290 and then that was inside of a lead case. 1542 01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:50,330 I can't explain why it was packed that way at all. 1543 01:14:57,700 --> 01:15:01,120 You went public in the 1980s 1544 01:15:01,290 --> 01:15:03,410 and even in the interview with George, you said you 1545 01:15:03,580 --> 01:15:06,000 had a piece of element 115 in a puck 1546 01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,450 with an X on it, or a plus on it 1547 01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:10,160 with a laser pointed at it. 1548 01:15:10,330 --> 01:15:12,870 Now, that was something that you could have said, 1549 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,120 "Yeah, I got a piece of plutonium in my pocket." 1550 01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:17,330 - You know... and it's not true. - Yeah. 1551 01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:18,950 - You know what I mean? - -Right. 1552 01:15:19,410 --> 01:15:21,580 Because you did say you had a piece back then 1553 01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:23,700 - and then you never said it again. - -Yeah. 1554 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,040 But you stopped saying it 1555 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,620 because it was just like, just-- 1556 01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:29,250 Yeah, I stopped saying it because, yeah, 1557 01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:31,410 I had it too close to me. 1558 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,160 Bob made sure to have the, uh-- 1559 01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:41,370 the gel stuff in a beaker and back. 1560 01:15:42,370 --> 01:15:44,580 - Yeah, aero-- the aerogel. - Aerogel. 1561 01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:46,080 It was something like pointing the 1562 01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:47,580 particle accelerator 1563 01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:49,450 at the 115 in a pocket, 1564 01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:51,290 with a target on it. 1565 01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:53,040 Yeah. 1566 01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:54,790 Yeah. 1567 01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:56,000 That was real. 1568 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,200 That was real. 1569 01:15:59,540 --> 01:16:01,620 I know 115 doesn't exist 1570 01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:04,870 and a stable form of it is non-existent and nobody's ever 1571 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,120 seen it and the only wispy piece of it that we've got now, 1572 01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:10,120 it only lasts microseconds 1573 01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:12,500 and then it's gone, and it's radioactive. 1574 01:16:12,660 --> 01:16:14,660 Nothing like the stable form 1575 01:16:14,830 --> 01:16:17,910 that, uh, he describes has been found by humans. 1576 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,000 But he had a piece of it and I don't care 1577 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,870 whether people believe it or not, he did. 1578 01:16:22,290 --> 01:16:24,450 And I saw an experiment at his house, uh, 1579 01:16:24,620 --> 01:16:26,870 with a cloud chamber that seemed to bend light. 1580 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,080 Now, I'm not a physicist, but it looked like it was 1581 01:16:29,250 --> 01:16:31,620 bending light to me and that was impressive. 1582 01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:34,660 I know that when Bob thought he was gonna die, 1583 01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:37,080 that he was gonna be killed and there was good reason 1584 01:16:37,250 --> 01:16:38,330 for him thinking that. 1585 01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:40,620 He had that piece of 115 in this 1586 01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:42,450 pewter round disc thing 1587 01:16:42,620 --> 01:16:44,830 in front of his particle accelerator 1588 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,620 with an X in the middle and if he was gonna go, 1589 01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:48,830 they were going with him. 1590 01:16:51,580 --> 01:16:55,040 I became concerned as the days went on. 1591 01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:59,750 There were always cars parked across from my driveway, 1592 01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,160 and normally there's nothing there. 1593 01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:03,580 There's no traffic 1594 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,450 and even driving places, 1595 01:17:07,870 --> 01:17:09,870 I was always being followed. 1596 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,620 Even when my friend and I went to the gym, 1597 01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:14,620 even he noticed wherever we stopped, 1598 01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:16,660 a car would follow us anywhere. 1599 01:17:16,830 --> 01:17:19,370 I began to get a little concerned and 1600 01:17:19,620 --> 01:17:22,700 took a few of my closest friends, and told them, 1601 01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:24,500 "The job I had at the test site, 1602 01:17:24,910 --> 01:17:26,660 I want you to see what's going on." 1603 01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:28,870 Working with Barry, it became obvious 1604 01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,950 he had something to do with 1605 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:32,580 the test flight schedule. 1606 01:17:32,830 --> 01:17:36,160 And in-- on one occasion, he was sitting across from me 1607 01:17:36,450 --> 01:17:39,330 and had a list of the test flights, the dates, 1608 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:42,000 the duration, and-- and exactly what was going on. 1609 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,000 I saw him working on it and read it upside down, 1610 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,410 seeing that every day was a Wednesday. 1611 01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:48,790 And I asked him what it was, he said 1612 01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:50,120 it was the test flight schedule. 1613 01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:51,870 And I said, "What's with Wednesday?" 1614 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,790 And he mentioned that Wednesday was-- statistically, 1615 01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:56,580 was the least amount of traffic 1616 01:17:56,750 --> 01:17:58,620 on the adjacent highway to the test site. 1617 01:17:58,790 --> 01:18:00,750 So there'd be the least number of eyes 1618 01:18:00,910 --> 01:18:02,660 when they were testing the craft. 1619 01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:05,500 So I knew when one of the test flights was. 1620 01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:08,830 On a Wednesday night, gathered everyone together, 1621 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,370 we went out there, and exactly at the prescribed time, 1622 01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:15,410 the craft rose up over the ridge of mountains. 1623 01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:18,450 Everyone got to see it maneuver and perform 1624 01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:22,160 and basically told everybody what I was doing. 1625 01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:26,200 We rented a car, took my wife, a few friends, and 1626 01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:28,370 drove out to this-- this place and... 1627 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,080 turned the lights out and snuck into a little area, and, uh-- 1628 01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:35,080 uh, we all watched it. 1629 01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:37,830 A month before he ever took us out there, you know, 1630 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,700 they had him at arm's length not calling him back to work 1631 01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:42,540 and he was suspicious about it. 1632 01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:44,870 You know, I knew what he was doing and-- 1633 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,580 and I was looking at all the... 1634 01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:48,790 history, what happened in Russia and the United States. 1635 01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:51,370 I said, "Man, I wanna be where it's happening right now." 1636 01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:53,580 Bob says, "What are you doing on Wednesday night?" 1637 01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:55,410 I go, "Nothing," because he knows 1638 01:18:55,580 --> 01:18:56,830 they're testing on Wednesday night. 1639 01:18:57,790 --> 01:18:58,700 Well, my name's Gene Huff. 1640 01:18:58,870 --> 01:19:00,160 I'm a real estate appraiser. 1641 01:19:00,330 --> 01:19:03,160 I've lived in Las Vegas for 44 years. 1642 01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:06,330 Been a real estate appraiser about 40 years of that. 1643 01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,750 You know, for-- for someone just watching this who doesn't know, 1644 01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:12,450 I'm sure they-- for them to believe what I'm going to say, 1645 01:19:12,620 --> 01:19:13,540 they wanna know something about me. 1646 01:19:13,700 --> 01:19:15,000 I've never been arrested 1647 01:19:15,330 --> 01:19:16,830 or convicted of any crime. 1648 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,080 I've been a real estate appraiser for 40 years. 1649 01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:21,290 There's never been one complaint against me. 1650 01:19:21,580 --> 01:19:24,830 So as just a normal citizen, I'd say I'm pretty upstanding. 1651 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,830 I have had speeding tickets in the past, though. 1652 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,750 That's-- that's about my biggest crime. 1653 01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:32,910 Gene Huff was the person at the time, that I confided in 1654 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,830 almost on a daily basis. 1655 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,120 When I came back from S4, 1656 01:19:37,540 --> 01:19:40,200 I would tell Gene kind of what happened. 1657 01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:44,700 You know, I was really concerned about talking to anybody else. 1658 01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:47,000 And I just-- you know, I picked Gene, 1659 01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,250 who was the closest friend at that time in Las Vegas. 1660 01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:54,290 When he took us out there, we went in Lear's RV. 1661 01:19:54,450 --> 01:19:56,660 It was Bob and his wife and Lear and me and, uh-- 1662 01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:59,750 We saw what we could later identify 1663 01:19:59,910 --> 01:20:01,790 as a flying disc because it has... 1664 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,540 novel movements in the sky. 1665 01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:07,160 Helicopters and blimps and airplanes don't do this. 1666 01:20:07,330 --> 01:20:09,700 You know, it-- it can float around very softly 1667 01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:11,620 and then dart up here and then be here. 1668 01:20:11,790 --> 01:20:13,250 And then you wouldn't even see it move. 1669 01:20:13,410 --> 01:20:14,620 And now it's down here. 1670 01:20:14,910 --> 01:20:16,660 It moved around. It did a step move. 1671 01:20:16,830 --> 01:20:19,750 It actually went up in the air like this and hovered, 1672 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,580 then dropped way down. 1673 01:20:21,870 --> 01:20:23,660 Then it just floated around and cruised around. 1674 01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:25,750 And then it started coming up the mountain range. 1675 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,700 But again, I couldn't have said that was a flying saucer. 1676 01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:30,620 It was an anomalous thing. 1677 01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:34,370 And-- and of course, Bob said there's a static charge 1678 01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:36,290 that dances around on the skin of the disc. 1679 01:20:36,620 --> 01:20:38,410 And as the disc gets further powered up, 1680 01:20:38,580 --> 01:20:40,410 the brighter this discharge is. 1681 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,700 When the craft is energized, there's a-- a high DC voltage on it. 1682 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,370 That's just always present there. 1683 01:20:47,540 --> 01:20:49,580 We knew there was high voltage visually 1684 01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:53,580 when the craft takes off, but it-- that it just appears to be 1685 01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:56,870 a byproduct of the way the reactor's working. 1686 01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,540 So anyway, we did see, you know, jumping around and Lear 1687 01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:02,830 had a good shot at it through-- through a telescope. 1688 01:21:03,250 --> 01:21:04,910 Good evening. This is John Lear. 1689 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,660 And today is March 22nd, 1989. 1690 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,040 We're standing just about, uh, eight miles due east of 1691 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,660 Groom Lake, Nevada, the super government, uh, secret test site. 1692 01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,700 And just a few minutes ago, we saw one of the government, 1693 01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:21,290 uh, extraterrestrial UFOs fly over there. 1694 01:21:21,450 --> 01:21:22,950 Uh, we all watched it for about, uh, 1695 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,580 seven or eight minutes. 1696 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,790 Right here, I have my Celestron scope. 1697 01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:28,580 Uh, it's eight, uh, inches. 1698 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,500 And I had, uh-- I had it focused in for about 15 seconds 1699 01:21:32,660 --> 01:21:35,950 and saw for myself that in fact, it was a disc. 1700 01:21:36,450 --> 01:21:39,700 We're going to, uh, stay here for another 1701 01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:42,040 couple hours here to see if we can show you folks, 1702 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,330 uh, an actual, uh, extraterrestrial flying saucer 1703 01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:47,160 being, uh, flown by the government. 1704 01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:50,620 Okay, good luck. 1705 01:21:52,580 --> 01:21:54,120 No way, did you see that move it did? 1706 01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:55,120 - No, I didn't. - It was like-- 1707 01:21:55,290 --> 01:21:57,250 it kept going, woo woo. 1708 01:21:57,580 --> 01:21:59,580 - Wow, look how bright it's getting. - Look at it now. 1709 01:22:01,290 --> 01:22:03,870 - It's getting bright. - Not bright enough for me to get the time of day. 1710 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,160 Hey, hold on right here. 1711 01:22:07,410 --> 01:22:09,950 So is this the first time on camera we're gonna talk about 1712 01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:11,500 what we actually saw the 1713 01:22:11,660 --> 01:22:12,700 second time out there, me and you and Jim? 1714 01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:14,120 - Yeah. Yeah. - Okay. 1715 01:22:14,290 --> 01:22:16,330 So this is going to be the exposure. 1716 01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:17,700 - Yeah. That's right. - You're gonna be the first one to get this. 1717 01:22:17,870 --> 01:22:19,580 Two weeks later, he takes us out there. 1718 01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:22,250 This must be... April, whatever it was. 1719 01:22:22,410 --> 01:22:25,910 And it's Jim Togliani, Bob, his wifey and me. 1720 01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:30,250 This time, we see the elliptical shaped light down 1721 01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:32,500 by the mountains, which would be the south of us. 1722 01:22:32,660 --> 01:22:34,160 And there it is. And we can tell that, 1723 01:22:34,330 --> 01:22:35,830 "Look, we've seen it before." 1724 01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,700 And then without seeing it move at all, 1725 01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:41,450 suddenly it's halfway between us and the mountain range. 1726 01:22:41,660 --> 01:22:45,080 And then suddenly it's much closer to us. 1727 01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:50,160 I'd say 75 yards away and 150 feet up in the air, maybe. 1728 01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:53,580 During the test flight, when the craft rose up, 1729 01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:57,080 it made very abrupt moves to the left and right, 1730 01:22:57,250 --> 01:23:01,120 and then, made a very dramatic move toward us. 1731 01:23:01,290 --> 01:23:03,410 And I remember Gene Huff looking at it, 1732 01:23:03,580 --> 01:23:05,120 even took a step back going, 1733 01:23:05,290 --> 01:23:06,910 "Oh my God," because it just-- 1734 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,830 it came from such a great distance to so close so quickly. 1735 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,620 Did that a couple of times. I mean, to the point 1736 01:23:13,790 --> 01:23:16,120 it glowed extremely bright when it did it. 1737 01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:19,750 In fact, so much so they backed up behind the car 1738 01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:21,830 because they thought it might explode or something. 1739 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,910 So now after it jumps down close to us, 1740 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,330 it starts glowing brighter and brighter and brighter. 1741 01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:32,370 And then what we never told anybody until now, 1742 01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:34,080 it disappeared. 1743 01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:40,790 Now, this is all silent, by the way, there's no noise. 1744 01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:42,200 And it was just gone. 1745 01:23:42,370 --> 01:23:44,160 Now, we did later see it floating around 1746 01:23:44,330 --> 01:23:46,660 and go back down by the mountains, by Papoose and... 1747 01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:48,160 it's like a-- like the movies, 1748 01:23:48,330 --> 01:23:50,160 it drops down behind the mountains. 1749 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,580 This was a thing that Bob could not effect. 1750 01:23:57,790 --> 01:24:00,790 He had no idea that there was gonna be a disk 1751 01:24:00,950 --> 01:24:03,620 out by way 375 that would come that close to us, 1752 01:24:03,870 --> 01:24:07,450 power up and disappear for all practical purposes. 1753 01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:10,000 He couldn't have made that happen unless he was 1754 01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:12,450 in cahoots with somebody at S4. 1755 01:24:12,620 --> 01:24:14,950 But even then, they wouldn't have known 1756 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,080 where we were and when we were there, and-- 1757 01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:20,200 I still pose the question, is, "Did they see us?" 1758 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,040 Bob couldn't have been working at-- 1759 01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,160 at the lunchroom at Area 51. 1760 01:24:25,580 --> 01:24:27,040 And I just believe everything he says, 1761 01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,200 and this would have happened. 1762 01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:30,120 He couldn't make it happen. 1763 01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:33,410 That proved, and I believed it before that, but that proved, 1764 01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:35,330 uh, that's empirical evidence. 1765 01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:38,660 I saw a craft to do that, thanks to him. 1766 01:24:38,910 --> 01:24:40,080 And it can't be denied, 1767 01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:42,200 but that's presuming they believe me. 1768 01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:45,080 We got caught out there. 1769 01:24:45,540 --> 01:24:47,040 Uh, there were-- 1770 01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:48,700 we got stopped by-- initially by the guards 1771 01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:51,500 that are out in that area, uh, that 1772 01:24:51,660 --> 01:24:53,540 John Lear spoke about. He was with us. 1773 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,540 Then stopped right afterwards by the sheriff who... 1774 01:24:57,370 --> 01:25:00,370 ...I guess, called in all our names 1775 01:25:00,540 --> 01:25:02,910 from our driver's licenses and social security numbers, 1776 01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,950 whatever they do, into Area 51 out there. 1777 01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,750 Yeah, we went out there two or three times. 1778 01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,700 So we'd go out there in the dark 1779 01:25:11,870 --> 01:25:14,160 and you can't see your hand in front of your face. 1780 01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:17,040 And we'd pull out there, stand around. 1781 01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,700 And we're-- the first time we were as quiet as possible. 1782 01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,120 By the second or third time, 1783 01:25:22,410 --> 01:25:24,910 we were making noise and joking around and... 1784 01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:29,370 unbeknownst to us, they had seen us pull up there. 1785 01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:32,750 We're going down the first road in the Area 51. 1786 01:25:32,910 --> 01:25:34,120 We just went there to park to see 1787 01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:35,700 if we could see what was going on. 1788 01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:38,870 Then the Wackenhut guards, who are the guys that guard 1789 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,500 the outside of the base, were watching us. 1790 01:25:41,660 --> 01:25:42,910 But we-- we didn't know it. 1791 01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,500 We're out there with a telescope and 1792 01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:46,000 video cameras, and... 1793 01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:47,910 You know, Bob points out that there's a 1794 01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,870 green light down there on the road. 1795 01:25:50,330 --> 01:25:52,410 And then the green light dropped from, like, 1796 01:25:52,580 --> 01:25:54,080 head level down to the ground. 1797 01:25:54,250 --> 01:25:56,080 And we realized those were night vision goggles. 1798 01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:57,450 And somebody just dropped their 1799 01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:59,160 night vision goggles and we saw it. 1800 01:25:59,410 --> 01:26:02,830 There was five or six security personnel there. 1801 01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,370 And one of them dropped a night vision scope. 1802 01:26:05,540 --> 01:26:08,660 And we just saw it rolling down the road to us going, 1803 01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:10,540 "What is that?" 1804 01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:11,910 And then when they saw they dropped it, 1805 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,250 they turned the lights on, and... 1806 01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:14,700 everyone was there. 1807 01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:16,330 There were cars and a lot of guys. 1808 01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:18,330 So it was, uh-- it was very shocking. 1809 01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:21,000 But yeah, that's when we got discovered. 1810 01:26:21,450 --> 01:26:24,200 You know, the consensus was, if they find me, 1811 01:26:24,370 --> 01:26:26,080 there's gonna be big trouble. 1812 01:26:26,290 --> 01:26:28,450 So if I take off into the desert, 1813 01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:30,040 they're just gonna look like 1814 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:31,450 a bunch of tourists that are out there. 1815 01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:34,040 So I ran out into the desert. 1816 01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,250 They got caught. 1817 01:26:35,410 --> 01:26:36,370 Everybody got questioned. 1818 01:26:36,540 --> 01:26:37,830 They eventually let them go. 1819 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,370 There were four people there. 1820 01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:41,000 And then on their way out, 1821 01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:42,620 before they got to the main road, 1822 01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:44,910 I joined up with them, got back in the car. 1823 01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:46,290 We continued on and then 1824 01:26:46,450 --> 01:26:48,330 were stopped by the local sheriff. 1825 01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:50,410 And the sheriff called it in and he said, 1826 01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:52,870 "Yeah, I got five people here," and Wackenhut said, 1827 01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:54,830 "Well, there were only four there. 1828 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,500 Where'd you get the other guy?" 1829 01:26:56,750 --> 01:27:00,330 So he asked for everybody's ID and we gave it to him. 1830 01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:03,040 So that's how they found out that I was there. 1831 01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:05,830 As soon as they mentioned my name, from what I recall, 1832 01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:09,250 they just said, "Okay," and they let everybody go. 1833 01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:11,410 And that's how-- 1834 01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:14,080 That's how it went. Yeah. 1835 01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:20,250 Dennis contacted me in the morning and said, 1836 01:27:20,410 --> 01:27:22,450 "Instead of going into S4, 1837 01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:24,870 uh, we're gonna go to Indian Springs," 1838 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,120 which was an auxiliary air force base, 1839 01:27:27,500 --> 01:27:29,870 you know, in that general area, part of the test site. 1840 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,450 So we went... to Indian Springs that morning. 1841 01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:37,540 And, uh, that's where I was debriefed and interrogated. 1842 01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:40,450 Literally said two or three words the entire trip. 1843 01:27:40,620 --> 01:27:43,120 It's like a half hour, 45 minute drive. 1844 01:27:43,450 --> 01:27:46,160 The only thing he did say on the way down there was, 1845 01:27:46,330 --> 01:27:48,790 "You know, when we said this was highly classified, 1846 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,330 we didn't mean that you can tell 1847 01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,160 your friends and family about it." 1848 01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:54,200 And that was, I think, the only thing he said. 1849 01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:56,620 There was someone at the guard station to let us in, 1850 01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:58,290 and then someone in the building and... 1851 01:27:58,540 --> 01:27:59,870 he left after that. 1852 01:28:00,950 --> 01:28:03,000 Guards there with M-16s and guys 1853 01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,330 slamming their finger into my chest, screaming in my ear. 1854 01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:06,830 Some people were pointing weapons at me. 1855 01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,450 There were a couple of guys in the room 1856 01:28:08,620 --> 01:28:10,120 that they sat me down with. 1857 01:28:10,290 --> 01:28:12,910 Um, and they were more angry than anything else. 1858 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,330 I don't think they exactly knew what to say, 1859 01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:16,950 but they kept going over. 1860 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,790 "Didn't you understand the security briefings?" 1861 01:28:19,950 --> 01:28:23,160 And you know, one of the guys had a sidearm, a rifle, 1862 01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:25,620 um, that he kept poking me with. 1863 01:28:26,290 --> 01:28:29,410 We had a story all made up why I was out there 1864 01:28:30,330 --> 01:28:33,870 about me being dropped off at the stop sign up on-- 1865 01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:36,120 up on the top of the hill and that I really didn't 1866 01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:38,160 go out there and I didn't wanna and all that. 1867 01:28:38,330 --> 01:28:40,120 And the first thing that they said when I got in, 1868 01:28:40,660 --> 01:28:42,410 uh, was, "Forget about the stop sign story." 1869 01:28:42,580 --> 01:28:44,290 And we only talked about that on the phone. 1870 01:28:44,450 --> 01:28:46,450 And it was just all too obvious that the phone was tapped. 1871 01:28:46,750 --> 01:28:49,620 And eventually they brought up the fact that they said, 1872 01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:51,830 "You know, we've been monitoring your phone 1873 01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:54,410 and, uh, we've been reviewing your-- 1874 01:28:54,580 --> 01:28:55,790 you know, your clearance 1875 01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,750 and there've been some problems with it. 1876 01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,750 Your wife's been having an affair with your-- 1877 01:29:00,910 --> 01:29:03,660 her flight instructor and here's the transcripts." 1878 01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,700 And, you know, they just kind of explained it, 1879 01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,580 opened a couple places and was reading stuff into me, 1880 01:29:10,750 --> 01:29:13,080 some particularly unpleasant areas. 1881 01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:16,910 And, um... I kind of put most of this out of my mind. 1882 01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:18,580 They let me go after that. 1883 01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:20,660 And I think they were gonna yank the clearance 1884 01:29:20,830 --> 01:29:22,410 anyway, because of what was going on. 1885 01:29:22,580 --> 01:29:24,620 They were simply waiting to see if it was something 1886 01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:26,450 that was gonna fizzle out or not. 1887 01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:27,830 And apparently it wasn't. 1888 01:29:28,330 --> 01:29:30,000 It's something I don't like to talk about. 1889 01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:32,620 It's upsetting... and it, um... 1890 01:29:33,290 --> 01:29:36,200 you know, it's probably the least of what I remember 1891 01:29:36,370 --> 01:29:38,290 about the entire situation. 1892 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,950 And that was essentially the last day that I had ever worked. 1893 01:29:43,410 --> 01:29:44,620 But yeah, they were-- 1894 01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:46,200 upset was... 1895 01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:48,790 ...an understatement. 1896 01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:54,450 They shot at you, somebody shot, 1897 01:29:54,620 --> 01:29:56,120 maybe as a warning, perhaps. 1898 01:29:56,540 --> 01:29:58,660 That's a good warning, I had my back tire shot out on my car 1899 01:29:58,830 --> 01:30:00,580 as I was getting on the freeway. 1900 01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:04,410 I was dropping some real estate photos off at Gene Huff's office 1901 01:30:04,580 --> 01:30:07,000 on Eastern Avenue in Las Vegas. 1902 01:30:07,450 --> 01:30:09,830 And I drove down, Charleston Boulevard went 1903 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,790 completely across the valley. 1904 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,000 And just as I was heading back, 1905 01:30:14,450 --> 01:30:16,200 heading toward the freeway on-ramp, 1906 01:30:16,620 --> 01:30:17,950 another car kept 1907 01:30:18,290 --> 01:30:19,450 running up beside me. 1908 01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:21,160 And, you know, they'd fall back, 1909 01:30:21,330 --> 01:30:22,910 I'd move forward, they'd fall back. 1910 01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,410 I thought it was some kid trying to race me. 1911 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,450 And they shot, they fired it. 1912 01:30:28,620 --> 01:30:30,250 They weren't-- They weren't trying to race me. 1913 01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:31,870 They were trying to shoot me. 1914 01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,290 They shot and hit the back tire, 1915 01:30:34,450 --> 01:30:36,620 uh, where Charleston Boulevard 1916 01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:39,750 curves-- the on-ramp that goes on to I-15. 1917 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,910 There's, uh, a big dirt area. 1918 01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,290 So instead of following the turn, 1919 01:30:44,450 --> 01:30:47,790 I went straight into the dirt and stopped 1920 01:30:47,950 --> 01:30:51,410 and was kind of petrified and just froze there in the car 1921 01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:53,540 because I thought they had pulled up behind me 1922 01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:55,500 and I was waiting to get shot. 1923 01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:58,790 And I just sat there for a long period of time and realized 1924 01:30:58,950 --> 01:31:00,120 they had kept going. 1925 01:31:00,290 --> 01:31:01,450 So I kind of relaxed. 1926 01:31:01,620 --> 01:31:03,250 I went out and looked at the tire 1927 01:31:03,410 --> 01:31:05,200 and I didn't have a spare. 1928 01:31:05,370 --> 01:31:09,000 I just got back in the car and started driving up the on-ramp, 1929 01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,450 of course, you know, with a shot-out tire. 1930 01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:14,160 You know, was it somebody from the government? 1931 01:31:14,450 --> 01:31:16,330 Was it a random shooting? 1932 01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:17,700 Was it a gangbanger? 1933 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,200 I-- I don't know. 1934 01:31:19,370 --> 01:31:21,120 But that-- that happened at that time. 1935 01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:23,290 But you said, uh, 1936 01:31:23,450 --> 01:31:24,950 you were referred to getting into trouble. 1937 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,620 Have you had some repercussions? 1938 01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:28,410 Yeah, I've been threatened with, uh-- 1939 01:31:28,580 --> 01:31:29,950 uh, being charged with espionage. 1940 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,080 Uh, I've had my life threatened by them, 1941 01:31:32,250 --> 01:31:34,290 my wife's life threatened by them. 1942 01:31:34,450 --> 01:31:36,450 And, uh, I-- I mean, I don't know where else you can go from there. 1943 01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:39,870 I, at that time, you know, had people following me, 1944 01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,290 was beginning to get scared and at some point stayed at 1945 01:31:42,450 --> 01:31:44,160 John Lear's house and, you know, 1946 01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:46,200 was kind of hiding from what was going on. 1947 01:31:46,580 --> 01:31:49,450 And he said, "Look, I know this guy, George Knapp. 1948 01:31:49,870 --> 01:31:53,120 He's, uh... you know, part of KLAS-TV. 1949 01:31:53,290 --> 01:31:54,910 He's an investigative reporter. 1950 01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,910 What you should do, you should say all this stuff, 1951 01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,410 get it on the record. 1952 01:31:59,620 --> 01:32:01,370 Like that way, if anything happens to you, 1953 01:32:01,540 --> 01:32:02,950 it's just gonna explode. 1954 01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:04,660 And the-- you know, maybe they'll leave you alone." 1955 01:32:04,830 --> 01:32:07,000 And, you know, initially that sounded ridiculous. 1956 01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,750 And eventually I said, "I gotta do something. 1957 01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:11,290 So... okay." 1958 01:32:11,450 --> 01:32:12,500 So, um, 1959 01:32:12,660 --> 01:32:13,750 they came up to the house 1960 01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:15,620 and in John Lear's driveway, 1961 01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,540 we did that Dennis interview. 1962 01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,870 George Knapp attached the name to Dennis to me. 1963 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,790 That was my superior at the time. 1964 01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:35,910 It was kind of a poke in the eye to him. 1965 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,200 I had heard about Bob in 1988. 1966 01:32:39,370 --> 01:32:43,660 Um, this guy, John Lear walks into the TV station in 1987. 1967 01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:45,160 He had a stack of documents 1968 01:32:45,330 --> 01:32:46,700 and he pushed them across the desk 1969 01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:48,200 to a guy named Ned Day. 1970 01:32:48,370 --> 01:32:50,950 Ned had broken a big story about Area 51. 1971 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,620 He and Bob Snowdall got this tip from Lear and his associates 1972 01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:56,040 that there was a secret plane 1973 01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:57,750 being developed in the Nevada desert. 1974 01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:59,660 Something that was invisible to radar, 1975 01:32:59,830 --> 01:33:01,660 which sounded preposterous at the time, 1976 01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:03,160 but turned out to be true. 1977 01:33:03,540 --> 01:33:06,120 Lear had credibility with KLAS because 1978 01:33:06,290 --> 01:33:08,370 he had given us information that turned out to be 1979 01:33:08,540 --> 01:33:09,700 this really big story. 1980 01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:11,370 It was John Lear that introduced me 1981 01:33:11,540 --> 01:33:13,000 to George Knapp and... 1982 01:33:13,330 --> 01:33:16,200 John Lear was one of the first people that I spoke to. 1983 01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:19,580 Actually, I think it was Gene Huff, but John Lear had 1984 01:33:19,870 --> 01:33:21,620 a lot of connections and 1985 01:33:21,870 --> 01:33:23,580 familiar with a lot of, 1986 01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:26,910 Area 51 stories and that sort of thing, so. 1987 01:33:27,370 --> 01:33:29,620 He was an unusual guy, but a good friend 1988 01:33:29,790 --> 01:33:32,450 and had some, you know, strange beliefs. 1989 01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:35,330 But he did direct me to, uh, George Knapp. 1990 01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:39,750 And, uh, that was an important-- an important meeting. 1991 01:33:40,660 --> 01:33:43,290 I'm the anchor of the five o'clock newscast. 1992 01:33:43,540 --> 01:33:44,660 And every night we would have a 1993 01:33:44,830 --> 01:33:46,540 five-minute live interview segment. 1994 01:33:46,700 --> 01:33:49,290 It might be a local celebrity, a comedian, 1995 01:33:49,450 --> 01:33:51,040 an entertainer, a politician, 1996 01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,450 somebody interesting who was traveling through town. 1997 01:33:53,950 --> 01:33:55,700 And I remember the day that it happened. 1998 01:33:55,870 --> 01:33:58,540 It's in May of-- of 1989. 1999 01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,040 Whoever our guest was, canceled. 2000 01:34:01,830 --> 01:34:03,580 We're scrambling to figure out who we're gonna fill 2001 01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:05,000 this five-minute hole with. 2002 01:34:05,450 --> 01:34:07,410 And I thought about Lear. Lear said he knew this guy. 2003 01:34:07,580 --> 01:34:09,830 It might work out there. I had no idea who Bob was. 2004 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,250 I had no idea what had been going on in his life. 2005 01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:14,160 And so, I called up Lear and said, 2006 01:34:14,330 --> 01:34:16,290 "Hey, you said your-- this guy might-- 2007 01:34:16,450 --> 01:34:17,660 your flying saucer guy, 2008 01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:19,330 uh, might get a job out there. 2009 01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:20,660 You think he'd talk to us?" 2010 01:34:21,330 --> 01:34:22,660 And Lear says, "I'll get back to you." 2011 01:34:22,830 --> 01:34:24,160 He calls back a couple minutes later. 2012 01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:25,330 "Yeah, he'll do it." 2013 01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:27,040 George sent over his cameraman. 2014 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:28,870 His name was Frank, in a van, and 2015 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,700 they set Bob up in silhouette inside the van. 2016 01:34:31,870 --> 01:34:33,080 He told the story, you know. 2017 01:34:33,330 --> 01:34:34,870 There were nine flying 2018 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,450 disks-- flying saucers, and-- and told the story. 2019 01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:40,500 And, uh-- And then it hit the news and, man, 2020 01:34:40,660 --> 01:34:42,410 did their newsroom go crazy. 2021 01:34:42,580 --> 01:34:44,830 We send a live unit up to Lear's house. 2022 01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,620 Uh, they arrange this interview. 2023 01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:48,750 We have to block out this guy's identity. 2024 01:34:48,910 --> 01:34:50,620 We have to put him in silhouette. 2025 01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:52,750 He used a pseudonym, Dennis. 2026 01:34:53,580 --> 01:34:55,500 Weren't exactly sure what he was gonna say, 2027 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,250 uh, but we started asking him some generic questions 2028 01:34:58,410 --> 01:35:01,580 in our five o'clock newscast and out this story spills 2029 01:35:01,950 --> 01:35:03,040 and the world changed. 2030 01:35:04,450 --> 01:35:06,120 Uh, there's really no way I can prove it 2031 01:35:06,290 --> 01:35:08,120 without revealing my identity and getting myself 2032 01:35:08,290 --> 01:35:09,790 into more trouble than I have already. 2033 01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,040 The choice of Dennis was an inside joke. 2034 01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,870 He says that's the name of his superior at Groom Lake. 2035 01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,540 - It wasn't a joke to Dennis. - He called right after, he said, 2036 01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:19,500 "You have any idea what we're going to do to you now?" 2037 01:35:19,660 --> 01:35:22,040 And I-- I said, "Well, no," and he's yelling up the phone. 2038 01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,500 When he did this, I told, I-- I was astonished because 2039 01:35:25,660 --> 01:35:27,910 it was courageous when he was on as Dennis 2040 01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:29,830 and silhouette on the news and stuff. 2041 01:35:30,250 --> 01:35:32,370 I mean, I was amazed by this guy 2042 01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:34,000 'cause he was putting it all on the line. 2043 01:35:34,580 --> 01:35:36,540 Look, they're doing everything they can 2044 01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:38,620 to keep this information secret. 2045 01:35:39,370 --> 01:35:41,160 And if they're gonna silence me, 2046 01:35:41,330 --> 01:35:43,410 whether it's something, you know, ridiculous, 2047 01:35:43,580 --> 01:35:45,580 like try to hurt me, uh... 2048 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,950 that would kind of prove what I'm saying is true. 2049 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:50,200 Why would this guy suddenly get, you know, 2050 01:35:50,370 --> 01:35:51,790 murdered or hurt in some way? 2051 01:35:52,370 --> 01:35:55,750 And, um, it just kind of seemed like 2052 01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:58,910 getting the information out would be a good idea. 2053 01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,290 I used to always travel around. 2054 01:36:04,450 --> 01:36:05,790 I always held the weapon 2055 01:36:05,950 --> 01:36:07,700 and-- because I mean, he's been shot at. 2056 01:36:07,870 --> 01:36:08,950 And I-- I was aware of that. 2057 01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,620 And I was-- I was willing to-- 2058 01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:13,120 to fire back, you know, that was my friend. 2059 01:36:13,330 --> 01:36:17,000 Mario, who drove a motorcycle, was into racing and all that 2060 01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,290 came riding by one day and was paralyzed 2061 01:36:19,450 --> 01:36:20,620 by the fact that there was a 2062 01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:22,370 jet dragster in his neighborhood and 2063 01:36:22,540 --> 01:36:24,620 stopped his motorcycle and immediately got out 2064 01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:26,660 and started talking to me, and, you know. 2065 01:36:26,830 --> 01:36:29,160 From that point on, we kind of became friends over time 2066 01:36:29,330 --> 01:36:30,870 and, you know, still to this day, 2067 01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,250 he remains a really good friend and, uh, 2068 01:36:34,410 --> 01:36:37,040 went through a lot of-- a lot with me, uh... 2069 01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,830 as all this unfolded in Las Vegas. 2070 01:36:40,620 --> 01:36:44,000 He knew and I knew that he was targeted. 2071 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,790 And I mean, I-- I think even before that, at one point 2072 01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:48,410 he was shot on the freeway. 2073 01:36:48,580 --> 01:36:50,500 You know, Mario was with me frequently 2074 01:36:50,660 --> 01:36:53,450 because we go to the gym every day and that's when, 2075 01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:56,250 you know, sometimes we park the car, come back out, 2076 01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:59,290 all the doors, hoods and back would be open, 2077 01:36:59,450 --> 01:37:02,160 even though we locked it and checked it before we left. 2078 01:37:02,330 --> 01:37:03,790 But nothing would be taken. 2079 01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:07,200 You know, and there was a loaded machine gun in the car 2080 01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:09,620 and wallets, but nothing would be touched. 2081 01:37:09,790 --> 01:37:10,950 My phone was tapped. 2082 01:37:11,330 --> 01:37:12,830 We were being followed all over the place. 2083 01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,160 I mean, I was being followed 'cause I was with Lazar. 2084 01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:17,830 The things that they were doing to mess with his life 2085 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,580 were really happening, breaking into his house 2086 01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:23,660 and moving things around or opening the doors to his car 2087 01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:25,620 and leaving the gun sitting there or... 2088 01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:27,870 shooting at his tire or just messing with him. 2089 01:37:28,330 --> 01:37:30,500 There's no way to convey that to people 2090 01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:33,080 how real that was, uh, unless you were there. 2091 01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:34,500 But that it was real. 2092 01:37:34,660 --> 01:37:37,160 We were scared and there was pressure 2093 01:37:37,330 --> 01:37:38,750 on Bob and me 2094 01:37:38,910 --> 01:37:41,200 and our station to knock it off. 2095 01:37:46,290 --> 01:37:48,410 I got a call from Dennis Mariani 2096 01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:51,080 and he said, "We need to talk. 2097 01:37:51,250 --> 01:37:53,540 Let's meet at the Union Plaza Casino." 2098 01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,830 After I got that call, I spoke to Gene Huff, 2099 01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,540 my other friend Joe at the time. 2100 01:37:58,700 --> 01:37:59,950 I wanted some-- you know, finally 2101 01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,120 some other witnesses to come with me. 2102 01:38:02,450 --> 01:38:05,660 And we all went to the Union Plaza Casino. 2103 01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:08,000 I think it was around eight o'clock or 8:30 at night. 2104 01:38:08,540 --> 01:38:11,660 If I recall, as I was walking 2105 01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,370 to where he wanted me to meet him, 2106 01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:18,330 I passed not one, but two guys 2107 01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:21,000 that looked super familiar to me 2108 01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,620 like they were security guards at S4. 2109 01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:26,580 And that really alerted me. 2110 01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:28,120 And I said something to Gene. 2111 01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:31,160 I said, "Something's-- something's weird here." 2112 01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:37,250 And I went up and I saw, um, uh, Dennis playing at a-- 2113 01:38:37,870 --> 01:38:39,330 I don't remember what game it was, 2114 01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:41,160 but I went up alongside of him 2115 01:38:41,790 --> 01:38:43,120 and said, "Hey, Dennis." 2116 01:38:43,450 --> 01:38:45,330 And he didn't-- he wouldn't even look up at me. 2117 01:38:45,790 --> 01:38:47,790 And I said, you know, "Okay." 2118 01:38:47,950 --> 01:38:49,700 And-- and walked away, 2119 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,790 and connected up with Gene who had eyes on him the entire time. 2120 01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,330 Bob sees Dennis at a blackjack table. 2121 01:38:56,620 --> 01:38:58,080 This guy won't even look at him. 2122 01:38:58,290 --> 01:39:00,750 Now, if he was a complete stranger that Bob wasn't 2123 01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,790 trying to pretend was Dennis, 2124 01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:05,000 he would have looked at him and said, "Get out of here, buddy. 2125 01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,330 What-- you know," he-- he keeps looking down at his cards and 2126 01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:09,660 he won't talk to Bob. 2127 01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:11,540 So Bob comes back and tells me that. 2128 01:39:11,790 --> 01:39:13,950 I mean, we weren't behind the slot machines for five seconds. 2129 01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,330 We looked back. Dennis is gone. 2130 01:39:16,540 --> 01:39:19,040 So it was-- it was weird to see him acting like this. 2131 01:39:19,290 --> 01:39:22,500 I wonder if those other guys weren't supposed to be there. 2132 01:39:22,660 --> 01:39:24,750 They saw him and he decided to shut up 2133 01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:27,290 and he really did want to talk to me 2134 01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:30,910 or they were with him or-- something like that. 2135 01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:34,080 But why did his attitude change so much between 2136 01:39:34,330 --> 01:39:35,950 when he called me, "Hey, we gotta talk." 2137 01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,620 And I got there and now I'm not-- I don't even exist. 2138 01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:41,080 So it almost made me think 2139 01:39:41,330 --> 01:39:44,660 somebody was privy to the conversation, scared him. 2140 01:39:44,830 --> 01:39:47,080 And, you know, that-- that was it. 2141 01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:49,750 We all got back together, Gene, Joe, and I, 2142 01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:53,250 we went back to the house, and my house had been broken into. 2143 01:39:53,410 --> 01:39:55,200 So was this entire thing set up 2144 01:39:55,370 --> 01:39:58,410 just to get us out of the house so they'd have access, 2145 01:39:58,790 --> 01:40:02,950 and, um, you know, who knows, or was it a coincidence? 2146 01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:05,540 Did anything happen at the house? 2147 01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:07,660 Like, they broke in, did they take anything? 2148 01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,040 Yeah, they did. 2149 01:40:14,250 --> 01:40:17,080 As time went on, my name became known, 2150 01:40:17,660 --> 01:40:21,000 but as far as the reception from people, 2151 01:40:21,410 --> 01:40:24,250 for the most part, only my friends and family 2152 01:40:24,410 --> 01:40:25,870 really believed my story 2153 01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:27,950 because they knew me before and after 2154 01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:29,870 some, of course, had seen the test flights. 2155 01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,450 And so there was no doubts in their mind, 2156 01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:34,950 but the general public certainly did not. 2157 01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:36,790 So, I looked like... 2158 01:40:37,790 --> 01:40:40,700 You know, just some hoaxster or some, you know, 2159 01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:43,410 weird guy out there telling strange stories. 2160 01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,410 The weeks and months that followed that time 2161 01:40:49,580 --> 01:40:52,200 were very stressful and, uh... 2162 01:40:54,620 --> 01:40:58,000 ...probably the-- the worst time in my life. 2163 01:40:58,700 --> 01:40:59,830 Um... 2164 01:41:05,870 --> 01:41:07,910 Take your time. 2165 01:41:15,450 --> 01:41:17,790 I tried to say, "I'm the same guy who did these other stories." 2166 01:41:17,950 --> 01:41:20,660 And I could not understand why people did not believe it. 2167 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,830 And it was important to me at the time, like, 2168 01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,750 "Hey, I'm-- I'm telling you the truth here. 2169 01:41:25,330 --> 01:41:27,700 I'm-- I'm telling you how we went through this process 2170 01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:30,540 of what steps we took to tell the Bob Lazar story." 2171 01:41:31,290 --> 01:41:33,120 And there were those who would just-- would not look at it, 2172 01:41:33,290 --> 01:41:34,700 would not take it seriously. 2173 01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:36,410 And I could not understand it. 2174 01:41:36,580 --> 01:41:38,200 And it bothered me in those days. 2175 01:41:38,370 --> 01:41:39,790 And it bothered me for a while, 2176 01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,250 but now we're looking at 34 years later 2177 01:41:42,580 --> 01:41:43,700 and it doesn't bother me a bit. 2178 01:41:43,870 --> 01:41:45,040 I do not give a shit 2179 01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:46,660 if people be-- believe Bob Lazar. 2180 01:41:46,830 --> 01:41:48,040 I know what I reported. 2181 01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:49,250 I know what he said. 2182 01:41:49,410 --> 01:41:50,580 I know he's telling the truth. 2183 01:41:50,750 --> 01:41:51,580 And I know there are other people 2184 01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:52,830 that know it's the truth. 2185 01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:54,750 And I don't care whether, uh, 2186 01:41:54,910 --> 01:41:57,500 they wanna drag me or him over the coals anymore. 2187 01:41:57,660 --> 01:41:58,870 Screw it. 2188 01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,790 Bob played a dangerous chess game 2189 01:42:01,950 --> 01:42:03,200 with some very dangerous people. 2190 01:42:03,370 --> 01:42:04,700 And he made the first move. 2191 01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:06,910 They were astonished that anybody had the 2192 01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,000 audacity to defy them. 2193 01:42:09,370 --> 01:42:11,870 And while they were thinking about that, Bob went public. 2194 01:42:12,330 --> 01:42:14,910 And he forced their hand. They either had to arrest him 2195 01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,000 and prove that what he was saying is true, 2196 01:42:17,290 --> 01:42:19,040 or they had to let him go and hope to exact 2197 01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:20,540 their revenge another time. 2198 01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:22,540 And I say this all the time. 2199 01:42:22,700 --> 01:42:24,700 A-- All this stuff is something that happened to him. 2200 01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:26,750 It's not who he is. Like he said before, 2201 01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:28,870 "I'd rather you not believe me and leave me alone." 2202 01:42:29,450 --> 01:42:31,910 A lot of stuff that Bob said turned out to be true 2203 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:33,290 and was verifiable. 2204 01:42:33,450 --> 01:42:34,790 And it drives people crazy. 2205 01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:36,160 But, you know, the fact that 2206 01:42:36,330 --> 01:42:37,790 he knew about a place called S4. 2207 01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:40,160 You know, Nellis confirmed that, it was real. 2208 01:42:40,330 --> 01:42:41,450 He wouldn't tell me where it was, 2209 01:42:41,620 --> 01:42:43,040 but they confirmed it was real. 2210 01:42:43,370 --> 01:42:45,290 That whole hand scanner thing turned out to be real. 2211 01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:46,700 How did he know that stuff? 2212 01:42:47,290 --> 01:42:49,250 Uh, element 115. You know? 2213 01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:52,500 We still don't have a stable form of it, but, you know, 2214 01:42:52,660 --> 01:42:55,160 it makes sense that it could exist, uh, that 2215 01:42:55,330 --> 01:42:58,330 we have a reverse engineering program, uh, that these 2216 01:42:58,700 --> 01:43:00,950 big defense contractors have been conducting. 2217 01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:03,500 All that stuff coming out now, it is true. 2218 01:43:03,700 --> 01:43:04,750 He knew about it. 2219 01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:06,040 How did he know? 2220 01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,040 Just making it up, out of thin air. 2221 01:43:08,290 --> 01:43:10,500 The way it affected me, I felt bad for him 2222 01:43:10,660 --> 01:43:12,830 because I knew who he was, you know. 2223 01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:14,830 And what people were saying about him. 2224 01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,580 I mean, there was a lot of good people, but, um, 2225 01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,040 still, you always heard the bad stuff. 2226 01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:21,580 It's like, "You know, no wonder 2227 01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:23,410 he didn't wanna talk about it to anybody." 2228 01:43:23,580 --> 01:43:27,540 You know? He was very quiet and-- and I understand that. 2229 01:43:27,700 --> 01:43:30,370 So we really didn't focus on that at all. 2230 01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:34,160 It's just, let's do what we wanna do, have some goals in life 2231 01:43:34,330 --> 01:43:36,580 and things that we wanna do and focus on that. 2232 01:43:42,540 --> 01:43:44,330 It's a quiet place, 2233 01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:47,160 way up in the mountains, away from everything. 2234 01:43:47,410 --> 01:43:51,080 My wife has her barn and arena out there. 2235 01:43:51,250 --> 01:43:54,750 The house is here, and I have my lab at home. 2236 01:43:54,910 --> 01:43:56,540 And it's, you know, it's sizable. 2237 01:43:56,700 --> 01:43:58,000 It's 1500 square feet. 2238 01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,660 It's bigger than the... you know, 2239 01:44:00,830 --> 01:44:02,950 house I used to have in New Mexico to live in, 2240 01:44:03,370 --> 01:44:07,450 but I can carry on multiple experiments, 2241 01:44:07,620 --> 01:44:10,330 work on multiple projects, all at the same time. 2242 01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:12,450 And uh, it's-- it's a blast. 2243 01:44:12,620 --> 01:44:14,250 I c-- I could almost live in here, it's-- 2244 01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:16,410 To me, it's the ultimate man cave. 2245 01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:18,620 I spend more and more time 2246 01:44:19,290 --> 01:44:22,080 in here kinda working towards retiring. 2247 01:44:22,700 --> 01:44:24,000 And, um-- 2248 01:44:24,250 --> 01:44:25,580 Yeah, my wife is really-- 2249 01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:27,830 my wife, Joy, is really into horses. 2250 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,870 And uh, so, she can be in her-- I call it her lab, 2251 01:44:32,330 --> 01:44:34,250 is, uh, the-- the horse lab. 2252 01:44:34,580 --> 01:44:36,160 And I'm in here and, you know, 2253 01:44:36,330 --> 01:44:38,580 we come and hang out with each other, but 2254 01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:39,910 you know, we can have a good time 2255 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,330 by ourselves doing our own thing. 2256 01:44:42,660 --> 01:44:45,290 This is Joy, my wife. 2257 01:44:45,450 --> 01:44:46,620 Are you filming? 2258 01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:48,040 Okay, let's start. 2259 01:44:49,330 --> 01:44:50,660 Cut! 2260 01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:52,540 This is my wife, Joy. 2261 01:44:52,700 --> 01:44:54,290 - This is my husband, Bob. - Yeah. 2262 01:44:54,450 --> 01:44:56,700 We met um... 2263 01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:58,450 - In-- - 23 years ago 2264 01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,870 in 2000, August, in Las Vegas. 2265 01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:03,910 We were introduced by a mutual friend 2266 01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:07,500 and, um, it took us a while to figure out that we were 2267 01:45:07,660 --> 01:45:09,500 okay to date each other. 2268 01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,080 He liked horses. He hated Vegas. 2269 01:45:12,250 --> 01:45:13,870 And... what was the other reason? 2270 01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:16,790 - I don't know. It was just time to move. - He was very nice. 2271 01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:18,200 He was very nice. 2272 01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:21,620 - Which was the reason-- - That was the reason to move? 2273 01:45:21,790 --> 01:45:24,160 - No, no, no. Um... - I was nice? 2274 01:45:24,910 --> 01:45:26,950 Yeah, so we left and then we went 2275 01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:28,410 - to New Mexico... - New Mexico. 2276 01:45:29,330 --> 01:45:30,500 And then Michigan, 2277 01:45:30,910 --> 01:45:33,330 and now we're here in the mountains of Oregon. 2278 01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,290 I believe that some of the technology, 2279 01:45:46,620 --> 01:45:49,830 it may be all... of the technology should be kept secret 2280 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,540 until we have a handle on everything, but certainly 2281 01:45:52,830 --> 01:45:54,580 the overview of what happened 2282 01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,080 just cannot be a secret from-- 2283 01:45:57,450 --> 01:45:59,910 from anyone, not just the American people, but the rest of the world. 2284 01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,410 Let out the basic fact, that we have these crafts. 2285 01:46:03,580 --> 01:46:07,250 At one time, uh, aliens did at least visit 2286 01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:09,870 and dropped off something, however they got here. 2287 01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,500 Uh, that there was some contact made and then cut it short. 2288 01:46:12,660 --> 01:46:14,330 You don't need to release information on 2289 01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:16,290 the gravity generators, the weapon potential, was-- 2290 01:46:16,450 --> 01:46:18,410 which is enormous, and-- and so on. 2291 01:46:18,580 --> 01:46:20,450 And how-- how would it affect life on Earth 2292 01:46:20,620 --> 01:46:22,660 if this stuff was widely available? 2293 01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:24,540 That's tough to say. I mean, you have 2294 01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:28,000 a different-- a completely different mode of travel. 2295 01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:31,410 Uh... what happens when you can play with time? 2296 01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,250 Uh, that gets into a-- a really 2297 01:46:34,410 --> 01:46:36,700 deep philosophical, you know, question there. 2298 01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:38,580 But I mean, we could-- it would change 2299 01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:40,580 a lot of stuff, change everything. 2300 01:46:40,750 --> 01:46:42,290 Oh yeah, it would change absolutely everything. 2301 01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:44,120 Think it'll ever come out? 2302 01:46:44,910 --> 01:46:45,950 Personally, no. 2303 01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,910 I have yet to be able to really prove my story. 2304 01:46:57,370 --> 01:46:59,790 I've been accused of lying and fabricating 2305 01:46:59,950 --> 01:47:02,250 this story for many, many years. 2306 01:47:02,750 --> 01:47:04,250 Although I've always said 2307 01:47:04,410 --> 01:47:06,410 there's no way for me to prove my story, 2308 01:47:06,580 --> 01:47:08,080 I always thought it was important to 2309 01:47:08,250 --> 01:47:11,200 let the world know what I saw at S4. 2310 01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,830 There's no doubt in my mind that these crafts exist. 2311 01:47:15,500 --> 01:47:18,700 I saw one, and was personally inside one. 2312 01:47:19,620 --> 01:47:22,000 This is possibly one of the biggest secrets, 2313 01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:25,660 if not the biggest secret, held in the world today. 2314 01:47:26,580 --> 01:47:28,790 Prior to becoming involved with the project, 2315 01:47:29,330 --> 01:47:32,040 I really never believed in flying saucers. 2316 01:47:32,540 --> 01:47:35,120 I didn't follow flying saucer stories, 2317 01:47:35,410 --> 01:47:37,620 read the literature associated with it, 2318 01:47:37,950 --> 01:47:41,500 or pay attention to any of the news reports. 2319 01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,830 My experience at S4 certainly changed my outlook on all this. 2320 01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:48,660 And now I know for a fact 2321 01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:50,000 that we are not alone. 2322 01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:38,830 These original maps, uh, were sent to us on behalf of Gene Huff. 2323 01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:41,200 Gene Huff was kind enough to order these 2324 01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:43,290 from the United States government and have 2325 01:49:43,450 --> 01:49:45,080 these original maps sent to us. 2326 01:49:45,250 --> 01:49:48,700 These are from the United States Department of the Interior 2327 01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:53,410 and these are maps of the Groom Lake area, 2328 01:49:53,660 --> 01:49:57,250 the Ticaboo Valley as you can see right here, and 2329 01:49:57,410 --> 01:49:59,290 the Papoose Lake area. 2330 01:49:59,450 --> 01:50:04,450 So these two are from provisional editions of 1983. 2331 01:50:04,660 --> 01:50:06,370 And the one that I have right here 2332 01:50:06,540 --> 01:50:07,790 is the one I was looking for. 2333 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,830 This is the one of Papoose Lake. 2334 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,250 So this one here 2335 01:50:11,580 --> 01:50:14,330 represents the exact location where, 2336 01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:16,080 uh, S4 is supposedly located. 2337 01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:18,000 So you've got Papoose Lake right here, 2338 01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:20,830 you've got the hillside where the base is located, 2339 01:50:21,290 --> 01:50:23,700 obviously the United States Department of the Interior. 2340 01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,580 And as I was looking at this, 2341 01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:28,290 what I noticed in the bottom left corner, it said 2342 01:50:28,450 --> 01:50:32,250 "Compiled from aerial photographs taken in 1968." 2343 01:50:32,830 --> 01:50:35,750 So, we had actually referred to some of these 2344 01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:37,660 back at the beginning of our project to 2345 01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:39,750 recreate the entire landscape there. 2346 01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,910 But what I noticed on the map when I got it 2347 01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:46,950 was it said, "Map edited in 1989." 2348 01:50:47,250 --> 01:50:51,040 So on the bottom right corner, it says "Papoose Lake, Nevada, 2349 01:50:51,330 --> 01:50:53,000 provisional edition 1989." 2350 01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:54,200 These are original maps. 2351 01:50:54,700 --> 01:50:56,120 These are numbered as well. 2352 01:50:56,290 --> 01:50:58,450 So these are not, uh-- these are not copies. 2353 01:50:58,620 --> 01:50:59,950 These are your original ones from-- 2354 01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:01,790 that you have to order and pay for. 2355 01:51:01,950 --> 01:51:04,160 And I really wanna thank Gene Huff for this. 2356 01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:06,410 And when you go on their website, 2357 01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:09,910 and you get to see the exact maps, you-- you can actually, 2358 01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:11,700 uh, see them and download them. 2359 01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,750 They have a stamp on this particular one 2360 01:51:14,910 --> 01:51:17,290 of the Papoose Lake, uh, area. 2361 01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:22,410 And the provisional edition was stamped May 1989. 2362 01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:26,290 And why that's important is because it just so happened 2363 01:51:26,450 --> 01:51:29,910 that that is exactly when Bob Lazar went public. 2364 01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:34,910 He went public with the Dennis interview in May of 1989. 2365 01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:57,370 Do you believe 2366 01:51:57,870 --> 01:52:01,500 that it's possible that the government will 2367 01:52:01,660 --> 01:52:06,250 come clean anytime soon with what's really going on? 2368 01:52:07,290 --> 01:52:10,040 You know, I think probably 2369 01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:12,910 because of religion, they'd be hesitant to do it. 2370 01:52:31,290 --> 01:52:33,160 Uh-- You got the seat really well. 2371 01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:43,250 Bob! Bob! 2372 01:52:44,500 --> 01:52:47,000 Oh shit! 2373 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,120 Don't do it! 2374 01:53:14,410 --> 01:53:16,830 W-- it's not gonna hurt you. 2375 01:53:25,580 --> 01:53:28,080 You have to keep your options open and... 2376 01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:30,870 maybe they've narrowed down or proven 2377 01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,410 you know, where they came from. 2378 01:53:35,290 --> 01:53:38,000 Somebody has to have a lot more answers.